Anti-Neocons

How did it begin for you and what made you believe, what makes you feel this way. I hope you don't mind the questions and if they're intrusive let me know.

I'm not disputing any of that. I just object to the idea that people who believe in the supernatural are either conditioned to do so or are just idiots.



That's a good question, and it's hard to say. I think that if I weren't raised in a Muslim family, and left to my own devices, that I would probably still end up believing in some sort of divinity, although I doubt that I would have a religion to go with it. However, I don't think I know myself well enough to be absolutely certain about that.



Like many, it began with upbringing. However, questions inevitably arise when you get older (especially if your beliefs aren't consistent with the majority's), and so after having sought vindication for what I was raised with, I found it, and so now I have my own reasons for believing what I do.

Ultimately, the reason why I believe in that traditional concept of God, is because I believe in the religion that establishes it, and the reason I believe in that religion, is because I find it impossible that the origins of that religion could be anything but divine.

Any other concept of God is one that can only be less than absolute. The concept of a less-than-absolute god is a concept of a god that is ultimately dependent on something outside of itself, and such a dependent being cannot truly be the ultimate being, but just an exceptionally-powerful being that is still inferior to another, and therefore not really "God". For "God" to truly be "God", he would have to be a being that is independent, and therefore, by definition, absolute. In math you cannot have a dependent variable without an independent variable, and likewise in reality, dependence cannot exist without independence.

Some are gonna knock you down for that my friend but you hang onto it.

Although I find that religion uses people in the best and the worst possible ways, my religion is my own and I believe that under the worst circumstances, we (people, united by love) can beat anything. That's what I believe. God is Good and Good is God.

its one or the other because you sure and shit did not come to it rationally based on evidence or reason. No one walks outside and said oh you know what a magical force made everything out of nothing and has a special plan specifically for humans whom it also made live forever just invisibly and in a different dimension etc etc. oh and one time this god thing had a son and killed it as a sacrifice to itself.

jesus story or not added to it the very basis of the idea is stupid.
It is conditioning that's why whole areas of the world are christian muslim jewish buddhist hidu etc they all happen to live in the same spots because the kids just adopt what their parents and surrounding culture told them. That's why it isn't all just random.The kids may drift off a tiny bit but you question them and really they still beleive 95% of the shit they were brought up to believe and they just strayed 5% or so and think of themselves as independent. AKA a Jew that is ok with eating pig, or a christian who doesn't believe in monarchies etc

You got all these Buddhist who do not have a god, all these monotheist who have a god but only one god, and all these hindu who have multiple gods. Do you think they all reasoned their way into any of it and just happened to do so uniformily in their places in the world? Now the Buddhist doesn't have to prove there is no god, that's a negative, but the theist does and can't. However the Buddhist does have to prove reincarnation which they can't because it's wrong. All of them have something supernatural. Supernatural is a longer word for magic. And yes its childish to sincerely believe it.

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You use words like stupid and idiot a lot and I'm still waiting for you to mature but it's taking an awfully long time.

Try just using information, thoughts, beliefs. Or are you angry about something. You seem to be projecting some shit outward. We have our own shit to deal with we don't need yours.

I object to this 'idea' as well. I think supernatural means different things to different people. The same way different people practice different religions. They are not dumb because they practice a religion and have beliefs that differ from someone elses. In fact if they are searching for something then it actually shows a bit of character that they're headed down different avenues looking for it. For some it can take an entire lifetime to find the answer. And not just one lifetime either. ( take that! )

I feel the need to step in to say once again that an opinion should be allowed to be discussed on any forum.



Brave to ask pro-G and really brave to answer IMofM. An interesting read, I think.

I can also appreciate that you guys are brave enough to use this forum knowing that Ry is going to call you names and tell you you're stupid.

I don't think a discussion about spirituality or religion is stupid and I certainly don't think anyone that has an opinion and feels like sharing it is stupid. We could all learn a little something from listening to each other and NOT calling people names.

But we know how that works here on this forum. Now, don't we?

Sorry to interrupt. Just my thoughts on the matter. FYI, I am anti-religion altogether. Yet quite spiritual and the word supernatural is not in my vocabulary. Not sure what that is about. I could learn something if we were allowed to discuss it!

I appreciate the sentiment World Peace but there isn't any bravery required to post on a message board.

Good point. I don't enjoy getting called names so it's bravery to me. I try to stick to the rules. At least in this game.

Sure you don't think its stupid. But most stupid people don't know they are stupid so of course they have no problems with stupid ideas. I don't have a problem with people Having those opinions. They are still gonna have to deal with my opinion of "their" opinion and that's that it is stupid. And Religions aren't really YOUR opinions anyway they were around before you existed and taught to you through conditioning.

Explain what your supernatural beliefs are and I will explain why it's idiotic. And just saying boo hoo its my opinion i'm entitled to be an idiot/brainwashed if I want, is not a defense for being an adult that believes in the supernatural. it's just a defense for having the right to believe in fairy tales. Try defending the fairy tale. Dogma relies of force and brainwashing the youth to stay afloat they can't handle serious debate. It ends up like the scopes monkey trials. Religions and can fight with one another all day long and neither will ever win anything since they're all based on faith and interpretation of fictional stories. But they just fall on their face contrasted with reality, empiricism, history, philosophy, and science.

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