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Opened Eyes
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:24 pm |
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Joined: May 11th, 2006 Posts: 95 Location: Prescott, Arizona
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The {agnostic} books are the crux (for lack of a better term) of the Christian religion.
Sorry, I'm not working on much sleep. I meant to say Synoptic Gospels.
_________________ "The fate of our country remains that of a mediocre nation that happens to have the most weapons, and just masses of undereducated illiterates to wield them."
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Left of Larry
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:28 pm |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 692 Location: Richmond Va
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Opened Eyes wrote: First to 'Left of Larry", {(Let me guess, you just went on Bible Gateway and did a word search and it turned up two verses, right? Typical non-learned Christian.) } For your information I did not do a word search on Bible Gateway, but I'm willing to guess that the massive amount of text on your post was not your own but selectively cut and pasted from some other website(S).
Ry, you really should take some advice and offer a little more leadership on this board. All of the ranting and complaining about the Bible really doesn't do anything for the cause. Neo-cons and the religious right use religion as a tool to brainwash religious types into backing their political cause. You are doing the same thing in reverse. The church that I attended before I moved didn't fund Israel or the Republican party like you assume every Christian church does. Also, the books of the Bible that you are constantly quoting from (Leviticus) is rarely if ever quoted in most contemporary churches. The agnostic books are the crux (for lack of a better term) of the Christian religion. Christians, at least the ones that I know, do not worship the Bible but take it for what it is. No, I will not be running to my preacher for any advice because I'm not even attending church right now but I'll pray for you anyway. You seem to have much passion but converting the entire world away from their religions is an impossible task. Instead, why not try using the positive things taught by the leaders of western and eastern religions to find common ground. Pointing out laws that Moses gave the Hebrews in Leviticus really doesn't prove anything. Everyone knows those are obsolete laws and nobody would be expected to live by them. If any church actually preaches to live by those laws they would probably be few and far between or some kind of cult type sect. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion/beliefs. Instead of bashing Christianity and Judaism, why not promote why you think Atheism more positive belief system or the eastern religions you seem fond of. There are the "Pat Robertson’s" in every religion. Unfortunately the loudest voice gets to represent the group they claim to speak for. Assuming that all Christians are the same as Pat Robertson or the like is the same as assuming that all Americans are like George W. Bush. Peace man.
ACtually if you look carefully that is not my response. But Rook's of RRS. Who is a biblical scholar and his work is profread and checked by Richard Carrier.
Secondly, even if it was...a cut and paste job, obviously you fail to refute it. So what's your point besides chasing a red herring?
_________________ REP THE STUTTER STEP THEN BOMB A LEFT UPON THE FASCISTS!! (ratm)
Like a Hawk...I am watching you, Mr. President.
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Opened Eyes
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:10 pm |
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Joined: May 11th, 2006 Posts: 95 Location: Prescott, Arizona
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Just read my last post man and go with it.
_________________ "The fate of our country remains that of a mediocre nation that happens to have the most weapons, and just masses of undereducated illiterates to wield them."
- Elizabeth Ross
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NoFear
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:09 pm |
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Joined: May 13th, 2006 Posts: 110
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one may wonder when will those christians
start discussing
offensive passage of the bible,
instead of shifting the topics, insulting and namecalling.
Bible promotes slavery, racism and sexual mutilation amongst good things.
Biblical Jesus is a racist, not your imaginary Jesus
http://opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2495
documented with sources from Bible.
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Ry
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:12 pm |
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Joined: Jun 27th, 2005 Posts: 31534 Location: Japan
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open eyes your defense for Leviticus is oh well we dont read that book much anymore we rarely use it. That's my point you're not reading it. I bet you had never read it until I pointed it out. I also quote Exodus you know the book the the Ten Commandmants dont try and say you don't use That one. The following chapter of the Te Commandmants EX 20 is Ex 21 which talks about beating your slaves and how they are your property.
Now call it servent if you want, a servent you can beat and who is your property. lol
you just don't know your own religious text. It supports slavery.
Now you can get on my case for pointing that out on a political site. However I have explained the connection between churches and the MIC. CHurches are centralized for your information so when you say your little church does nothing dont be so sure. They have to pay a portion to their diet who goes up to the WCC who inevest the money for profit into defense companies. Ask your preacher about it if you don't believe me.
The point of this however was to show how even Xtians don't read their own texts. You can say the same thing about Muslims. SO when some kook gets on TV and quotes crzy stuff from the Koran its not always out of context there are plenty of stupid things in the Qurran however equally and in my opinion even more outlandish things are said in the Bible and the especially the Torrah.
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Left of Larry
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:34 pm |
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Joined: Jun 29th, 2005 Posts: 692 Location: Richmond Va
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ok, I'll say this, to allow the xtian right to do what they have been doing, you can kiss your free ass goodbye because the goal of the xtian right is to change this country into a theocratic democracy..where sure, you're free to choose; between on xtian or another. I don't think you guys here realize the intricacies involved between church and poliltics. It is because of the churches and religion that we are in this mess today, because if it wasn't for all the religious social issues these people would not be in power today. The neocons are funded by corporations and supported democratically by a majority of xtians.
so it comes to no surprise that an anti-neocon site is also going to be anti-religion. The fact that religion for 1. is logically flawed, based on no evidence, and 2. used as a method to control and vote gathering by neocons, obviously will be attacked on this forum. This is not new and it's only recently that Ry has been criticized for his criticism of religion so vehemently on this site. I have seen a large number of muslims as well as xtians agreeing with everthing except for the religion part...well, surprise, religion is exactly what it is that's causing this fucking mess. Or at the very least fuelling the fire.
so how do we solve this? I believe it must be a multi-faceted approach. But one, is to attack it at it's core. So we attack the bible, and rational belief.
To cater to peoples' sensitivities abour religion would not amount to what this site represents. I think Ry, has a clear goal in mind here. He backs it up logically and concisely. You cannot pick and choose what you want to belive it is all part of the big picture.
Our atheism stems from the same logic that has brought us against the neocons and what they stand for. To fight neocons or zionists, or extremist muslims...you have to attack it all at the core...and I'm sorry..guys..but religion is the core. Tell me where we'd be today if religion wasn't the intrical part of the equation.
_________________ REP THE STUTTER STEP THEN BOMB A LEFT UPON THE FASCISTS!! (ratm)
Like a Hawk...I am watching you, Mr. President.
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Demockery101
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:18 pm |
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Joined: Oct 2nd, 2005 Posts: 323 Location: The District of Criminals
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Corey Michael wrote: Once again, I am glad I am not alone. The anti religion posts are contradicting the anti-neocon posts. People get c aught up in being anti-religoin that they confuse the two. I am two Makers Mark and Tres Generaciones into the wind so bare with me. I just think the lack of focus is losing leadership. You can be atheist, but expressing it at all times is just going to inhibit your ability to attract the minds of those who are not atheist which is a great majority of humans on this earth. If you truly believe in your cause you would find a distinction between the religion and politics and pursue it. I hope I am being clear, but I doubt it. Ithink people will get the gist. Seperation of church and state is stressed for a reason, yet it is a continued abuse within this forum. You can still be anti-church, but expressing such is no different than being prochurch. It is just a polar opposite and being such is counterproductive to the cause of being anti-neoconservative. If you promote your anti-religion it is simply turnign away those who are pro-religion, which is a great majority. I doubt I am being clear, but I imagine I have been in the past and continue to be ignored. Boys will be boys. Regardeless, I love you man. Peace....Two shots in the wind...
cory,
I heard you, and it's why I only post here on occasion
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Opened Eyes
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:01 pm |
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Joined: May 11th, 2006 Posts: 95 Location: Prescott, Arizona
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Demockery101,
I hear ya man. I love how Ry attacks me and says I never read Leviticus or Exodus. That's bullshit. Of course I've read them. You need to take a step back and realize that your becoming just as blinded by your bitterness and your assumptions as the neo-cons. I think I'll be spending less time here myself as well before I get turned away from the anti-neocon movement by the bitterness and uneducated responses that has been witnessed on this thread. We are all fighting the same fight. The namecalling has been all on one side. Assuming that all Christians are neo-cons is a very childish idea LeftOfLarry. That means all Jews are Zionists and all Muslims are blowing themselves up in malls too right? Ry, you can come off quite smug sometimes. Can we move on now?
_________________ "The fate of our country remains that of a mediocre nation that happens to have the most weapons, and just masses of undereducated illiterates to wield them."
- Elizabeth Ross
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