Anti-Neocons

To an extent, i agree with Ledskof. Trying to derive scientific facts from generally ambiguous passages is quite harmful. It can indeed have a detrimental affect in the long run.

We need to stop assuming that what we know now of science is the all and end all. There is alot to learn and alot to discover, alot of generally accepted facts might be outdated myths in the years to come. What will then happen to all the arguments being put forth by a number of Muslims about science in Islam? Much of it will be discredited and this will certainly change people's perspective on the Qur'an in a negative manner. So people that promote such arguments really need to think things through. Do your research of science, don't just take what a user created website says as infallible truth. Unless you're an expert in a subject regarding science and an decent Arab linguist, its best to ignore such arguments. However, i'm not denying that in certain passages of the Qur'an, there are accurate descriptions of aspects of natural law.

But ultimately, The Qur'an is a book of wisdom, a means to better understand ourselves, a guide to live by and a highway that leads to God. It's not meant to be a scientific textbook.

There are numerous other Qur'anic miracles which are constant. We don't need to derive science to prove the Qur'an. It will hurt more than help.

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When Darwin gets so much credit for something that the quran already teaches i have to say something especially when they insult the quran to be some man made book . which is impossible of being ,the knowledge with in it changed nations and billions of people, they don't realize they are insulting the intellect of humanity by insulting the quran to be some man made book, human being is not born stupid and regardless of whatever brainwashing tactics some people use ,People will use their own common sense to come up to their own individual conclusions right ??

and i already said its not a scientific book, its has some in it but there are so many areas to cover it cant only speak about science.

i definatly understand what your saying, but some things are irrefutable and the quran regardless of what some people say CANNOT BE THE WORK OF MAN, its way beyond man , man can only learn from it , but can never come up with anything like it , the passage even though simple are very clear to what they saying to us.. sure many would use anything to prove their claims ,but not all claims are false or general .some are very accurate

like the water info giving which science proved to be so very true, because water is the main element in all life forms .

like the superiority in design which exists in all creations. just to name a few.

im not saying i didn't agree with him, but he kept saying im illogical when im only talking about a few irrefutable lessons.

he will make his points and i will make mines, as long as the convo stays civil the discussion can always continue and through discussion we can reach a conclusion if not a conclusion then some place of understanding

its a very touchy issue that true , but not talking about it wont help much either . there are things that must be talked about, and how can an unlearned man speak of so much wisdom with out divine intervention ??? he had no access to any known studies at the time and for them to say he took it from another civilization is very ignorant indeed. because the wisdom of the quran is for all of humanity , did Mohammad (pbuh) travel the world and steal all the knowledge of the past ??? Not possible .

so where is the logic of sayin he did ??

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You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln


In the Quran, God has said:

“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves JUST actions.” (_Quran 60:8_)

To kill an innocent life it is as if you killed humanity ,to save an innocent life is as if you saved humanity ... the blessed Quran...

http://Islamic-s.webs.com

I don't agree with your viewpoint, but i respect it.

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I have absolutely no patience for "do you know Arabic? then you do not know Islam."

None.

And I will not waste my time arguing with someone who is so deluded and brainwashed to repeat that utter nonsense. I'm sick of arguments ending with "do you know arabic" and if you are willing to say it this early in the argument, it will just end that way as well. How about going back and responding to my arguments from last year that you gave up on. Or you can just cut to the end and say "you do not know Arabic, and thus you do not know Islam."

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Is your view of the world in sync with what you 'know' about the world?

"The state breaks everything and then blames freedom.
The state destroys everything and then blames those who interact voluntarily for that destruction."
-- Stefan Molyneux

Well put.

lol

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You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln


In the Quran, God has said:

“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves JUST actions.” (_Quran 60:8_)

To kill an innocent life it is as if you killed humanity ,to save an innocent life is as if you saved humanity ... the blessed Quran...

http://Islamic-s.webs.com

i never said you need to know arabic to know islam, i said you need to know arabic to read the quran , in its original text , in its original message

knowing arabic is one thing but knowing Islam is another ( 80 % of the muslims in the world are not arab )

i was away from antineocons for sometime and lost track of many discussions , if you can find it ,bring it back, because honestly i couldnt find it , so many posts so little time..
lol, i think i loosesned a screw in ya head ,have it yourway. peace

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You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln


In the Quran, God has said:

“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves JUST actions.” (_Quran 60:8_)

To kill an innocent life it is as if you killed humanity ,to save an innocent life is as if you saved humanity ... the blessed Quran...

http://Islamic-s.webs.com

Okay,

With evolution, I have a question:

How is the ecosystem's checks and balances with different species maintained when they evolve?

For example, bees pollinate flowers. What's the evolution behind that?



Let me clarify this for you; you need to know arabic to truly appreciate the Qur'an's literary value. Translations give you the basic gist of what it's saying, but that's it. If you're going to use a translation, then don't get too hung up on specific words, semantics and/or etymology, because those things are only preserved 100% in the original arabic text.

Int'l man of mystery wrote:

Bees are not the only kind of pollinator in nature (bats, birds, wasps, butterflies, flies, ants, other insects) nor do we see evidence to suggest they were the first pollinator. Instead we see evidence that they came late in the pollination game and some bees are very specialized for it. Bee pollinators appear to be a result of wasps evolving into specialized pollinators.

Bees feed on pollen and nectar. They go from flower to flower to collect one or the other. Sometimes they collect nectar, sometimes they collect pollen. Even if they aren't collecting pollen, they can still pollinate just from being fuzzy and electrostatic. When they visit another flower the pollen is transferred Some bees will only visit a single kind of flower, some on a few, and some on just about anything they come across if they are drawn to it. Not all bee's produce honey.

Int'l man of mystery wrote:

The only time I get hung up on semantics is when someone that I am discussing something with misuses English. Regardless of being a bad translation, when it happens I can't just say, "ok that completely insane thing you just said is ok because you can't translate accurately, so it must mean something else." If someone can't convey something accurately then they need to get better at English, not expect me to accept something ridiculous. Regardless, even semantics and etymology comes into argument when the Quran is discussed about in pure Arabic. But most importantly, we are talking about basic concepts and basic logic. These things are communicable in simple language. Honestly, my opinion is that simple language is the only way to discuss things such as basic logic as it keeps people from getting too hung up the meanings of complex and flexible words. I also feels this way about discussing philosophy. Too many people who fancy their selves to be poetic linguists want to discuss philosophy but end up just writing silly poetry, and whenever they do stumble across something that makes sense then it's usually in simpler terms.

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Is your view of the world in sync with what you 'know' about the world?

"The state breaks everything and then blames freedom.
The state destroys everything and then blames those who interact voluntarily for that destruction."
-- Stefan Molyneux