Anti-Neocons

There has been much talk about ID/Creationism Etc...

Show us your views and your evidence, not just your rhetoric or conjecture.

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Have you heard of Harun Yahya (Aaron John)? He pretty much sums everything up with his articles, books, multimedia presentations....
http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php
http://www.thestoneage.org/
http://www.living-fossils.com/

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again see the post I lef tyou below...muslim sites and propaganda creationist sites are not evidence they lie.

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also, why does one theory need so many sites under different names? seems like propaganda to me/

http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Miracles.cfm

and for some refutation about Islam and creation....go here...I've yet to finish the whole thing..but it's a good start.

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/v ... php?t=2238

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Why do u consider http://www.harunyahya.com/ to be propaganda? I find it highly informative. Take a look around you, at the nature of things, think, there is purpose to all creation. The only creation that ruins its surroundings and treats others of its kind are 'bad' people.
Since history has been recorded, why is it that noone has documented witnessing 'evolution'? because it doesn't occur.
Anyway, I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. I respect you as a human being. Treat others as you wish to be treated.

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ha ha your evidence is hey look around I see lots of stuff I dont understand therefor it HAD to be magical and come from the god(s) even though we can see different gods come and go in history from different societies which is proof that gods can be invented and the entire public fooled.

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It is not scientific or logical. It is a religion and religions by their very nature rely solely on faith not logic or testable OR falsifiable ideas.



No one had to because evolutionary history has recorded itself within the fossil record.

ANd in recent history since we have understood evolution we are seeing it happening everyday. The reason why you don't see it happening that quick is because evolution is a complex dynamic process that takes thousands to millions of years. But we have been able to see evolution within the last 250 years or so...and humans are also evolving by the way.



As do I respect humans for humans it's the ideologies I do not respect. Unfounded, unbased ideas that are the fuel that is cuasing thousands to be slaughtered in senseless blood on a daily basis, all in the name of God/Allah/Fill in your diety here......

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Science has problems but Science also has success this computer is proof of that. Science can be wrong from time to time that's why it changes. Rlgion however is total shit and a waste of time.

If my house was on fire I would not pray for it to go away I would call the fire department and use our technologies gathered by science to put out the fire. Yes a long time ago fire prevention technology was pretty poor compred today. It has evolved and gotten better. We have a lot more than just buckets of water now. We have a lot more than just hoses now.

That is how science works, it makes mistakes here and there but the general direction is toward improvement and truth.

Religion on the other hand has given us um lots of war and basically nothing in the relm of technology, medicine, etc.

When we sanitize our food that's based on science. If you got skin cancer would you go have it removed or would you just pray that it went away on its own. Honestly, religious people dont even believe in their own lies.





Should we just not take antibiotics? Because wait there is no evolution so god must be just plying with us. We should just use them as much as we want because the overuse has nothing to do with anything.Because after all its god's design and nothing we can do about it. We should stop thinking things can evolve.

Hey guys Gravity is just a theory, there is no gravity, things just intelligently fall every time they are dropped. I mean how can the gravity know when somehting has been dropped their must be a god like thing watching everything and only a god could do that. That was sarcasm for you really dense people.

Right on....

Pathology and disease is caused by numerous agents and mechanisms. There are auto-immune diseases, cancer, diseases caused by chemicals, diseases caused by parasites (bacateria, protists, funguses) and diseases caused by viruses. So first off, let me ask the question: Why would a creator who is the creator of EVERYTHING, create not ONLY pathogens, but also a flawed body that can become susceptible to disease? It just doesnt' make much sense that an omnipotent being creator of everthing would make such flawed design?

Also, here is another interesting fact that I have talked about in the past. Pathogenic organisms function as evolutionary selective pressures, proving evolution. A host which is susceptible to certain pathogens, it has been shown, will modify it's structural proteins to resist those pathogens. Most pathogens (such as viruses, and bacteria and even protists like plasmodium (malaria causing organism) need to bind to cell membranes in order for them cause pathogenicity. The way they bind is through the organism's ligand proteins which recognize proteins on a host's cell membrane. Certain hosts of these organisms have adapted to change the structure of their cell surfaces, therefore causing the host to adapt an immunity to that certain organism.

Let me explain how this mechanism works. And again, I will use Plasmodium as an example. The plasmodium parasite has to recognize and bind to red blood cells. The way this happens is that it produces certain proteins that bind to proteins on red blood cells. The binding process has to do with the chemistry of the proteins themselves, stereochemistry and the actual structure of the functional part of the protein have a lot to do with this. It's lind of like a lock and key mechanism. Now there are various isomers of proteins, this is due to random mutations that occur constantly throughout your body. Now just one simple point mutation (say a translational error which replaces a Guanine for a cytosine) on a critical gene, will make a slightly different cell surface protein (which happens to be a receptor for the malaria parasite). Now imagine the malaria parasite entering your body but not able to bind due to the fact that the protein has changed configuration and teh key now will not fit. You are now essentially "immune" to that specific malaria serotype. Now..imagine a population of thousands exposed to this same parasite who happens to kill off thousands of children, except those that have this mutation...these children survive, reach maturity and now will spread their new gene which is immune, while the rest die off and the "old" gene with them. This is what you call selective pressure.

Now...the game is played on both ends because the malaria parasite too evolves due to pressures. If it enters the body, and cannot reproduce it dies off...but what if that malaria parasite..then also has a point mutation, allowing it's protein to once again bind to red blood cells...this is how different species of malaria parasites have evolved....due to this selective pressure. Compound this process by thousands or even millions of years and you now have differentiation of parasite species. You can find these similiarities among all Apicomplexans (a phylum of parasitic protists: because their mode of infection is similiar all the families and species of apicomplexan share an apical complex: showing evolutionary lineages to each other) but these are different species that have speciated through time based on these mechanisms of natural selection. So to those that argue agaisnt evolution because they say it's impossilbe to speciate only because they can't breed a dog out of a cat..(such lunacy), here is proof that speciation does occur due to natural selection, the fundamental Darwinian principle. (Read here for more information on the evolution of different SPECIES of plasmodium: http://www.impact-malaria.com/FR/EPS/Fo ... _10_1.html )

So to finalize, if god was such a wonderful Intelligent creator, why create the human body so susceptible to disease? I dont' see much intelligence in this....and why would a god create disease? Another fallacy in the "logic" of "intelligent design". The ID/Creationsits...will ignore this evidence of speciation through natural selection, because they can't explain it otherwise, yet claim to be scientific in method. All they do is try to find flaws or holes in evolutionary theory (which most scientists are aware of anyway, except they try to figure out the answers scientifically) without proposing logic or methods to their own theory.

It's called the straw man argument. and as most of you know it goes like this:

One can set up a straw man in the following ways:

1. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
2. Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
3. Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.

This is all the ID/creationsits have...logical fallacies.

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