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What is your view point on the origin of life? (not the earth or universe, this will be addressed at a later point)
Creation (as in biblical) 16%  16%  [ 7 ]
Intelligent Design (as in non-biblical) 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Evolution through help of a superior being (correlates with ID). 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Evolution through Natural Selection (Darwin's theory) 53%  53%  [ 23 ]
Agnostic (as in the there is no way to know, and not the fence riding between relgion and atheism) 14%  14%  [ 6 ]
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 Post subject: Evolution, ID, Creationism: back it up.
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There has been much talk about ID/Creationism Etc...

Show us your views and your evidence, not just your rhetoric or conjecture.

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 Post subject: Creationism and belief.
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Have you heard of Harun Yahya (Aaron John)? He pretty much sums everything up with his articles, books, multimedia presentations....
http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php
http://www.thestoneage.org/
http://www.living-fossils.com/

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 Post subject: Re: Creationism and belief.
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Mysty wrote:
Have you heard of Harun Yahya (Aaron John)? He pretty much sums everything up with his articles, books, multimedia presentations....
http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php
http://www.thestoneage.org/
http://www.living-fossils.com/


again see the post I lef tyou below...muslim sites and propaganda creationist sites are not evidence they lie.

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also, why does one theory need so many sites under different names? seems like propaganda to me/

http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Miracles.cfm

and for some refutation about Islam and creation....go here...I've yet to finish the whole thing..but it's a good start.

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/v ... php?t=2238

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Why do u consider http://www.harunyahya.com/ to be propaganda? I find it highly informative. Take a look around you, at the nature of things, think, there is purpose to all creation. The only creation that ruins its surroundings and treats others of its kind are 'bad' people.
Since history has been recorded, why is it that noone has documented witnessing 'evolution'? because it doesn't occur.
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ha ha your evidence is hey look around I see lots of stuff I dont understand therefor it HAD to be magical and come from the god(s) even though we can see different gods come and go in history from different societies which is proof that gods can be invented and the entire public fooled.

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Mysty wrote:
Why do u consider http://www.harunyahya.com/ to be propaganda? I find it highly informative. Take a look around you, at the nature of things, think, there is purpose to all creation. The only creation that ruins its surroundings and treats others of its kind are 'bad' people.


It is not scientific or logical. It is a religion and religions by their very nature rely solely on faith not logic or testable OR falsifiable ideas.

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Since history has been recorded, why is it that noone has documented witnessing 'evolution'? because it doesn't occur.


No one had to because evolutionary history has recorded itself within the fossil record.

ANd in recent history since we have understood evolution we are seeing it happening everyday. The reason why you don't see it happening that quick is because evolution is a complex dynamic process that takes thousands to millions of years. But we have been able to see evolution within the last 250 years or so...and humans are also evolving by the way.

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Anyway, I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. I respect you as a human being. Treat others as you wish to be treated. :)


As do I respect humans for humans it's the ideologies I do not respect. Unfounded, unbased ideas that are the fuel that is cuasing thousands to be slaughtered in senseless blood on a daily basis, all in the name of God/Allah/Fill in your diety here......

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Science has problems but Science also has success this computer is proof of that. Science can be wrong from time to time that's why it changes. Rlgion however is total shit and a waste of time.

If my house was on fire I would not pray for it to go away I would call the fire department and use our technologies gathered by science to put out the fire. Yes a long time ago fire prevention technology was pretty poor compred today. It has evolved and gotten better. We have a lot more than just buckets of water now. We have a lot more than just hoses now.

That is how science works, it makes mistakes here and there but the general direction is toward improvement and truth.

Religion on the other hand has given us um lots of war and basically nothing in the relm of technology, medicine, etc.

When we sanitize our food that's based on science. If you got skin cancer would you go have it removed or would you just pray that it went away on its own. Honestly, religious people dont even believe in their own lies.




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In the case of Tuberculosis, the misuse of antibiotics may lead to the evolution of antibiotic-resistant TB bacterium. When patients misuse antibiotics (for example, not completing the treatment for the time prescribed by a doctor), not all of the bacteria is killed. Those which survive the first few doses of anibiotics are the ones which are successful in reproducing. As a result, more bateria resistant to the antibiotic are formed. As a result, the patient does not recover from the disease, and the symptoms which had seemingly gone will return. When this occurs, it becomes difficult to treat the patient because it is no longer known which antibiotic will work.


Should we just not take antibiotics? Because wait there is no evolution so god must be just plying with us. We should just use them as much as we want because the overuse has nothing to do with anything.Because after all its god's design and nothing we can do about it. We should stop thinking things can evolve.

Hey guys Gravity is just a theory, there is no gravity, things just intelligently fall every time they are dropped. I mean how can the gravity know when somehting has been dropped their must be a god like thing watching everything and only a god could do that. That was sarcasm for you really dense people.


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