Anti-Neocons

lol. funny cartoon. sorry i went off on a little rant there but all i'm trying to say is it's better to criticize what a given ministry teaches rather than condemning a religion as a whole. i've met a lot of christian members of campaign for liberty that don't advocate violence, slavery, or imposing their beliefs on other people by passing legislation in congress. i don't think they are stupid for being religious, and i don't even necessarily consider their beliefs stupid. i'm not saying a little (or a lot) of criticism of modern religious congregations isn't warranted, but, i'd stick to criticizing organizations, not condemning religion as a whole. what is the point of insulting anti-zionist christians? i apreciated ry's analogy of comparing religion to cigarettes, that makes it sound a lot less harsh. still though, there's ways to state your opinion a lot more tactfully.

and i have to admit, part of the attraction to islam for me is just pissing off christians. i've had a few dialogues that went something like this (sometimes in a realy akward fashion at tribalist republican people's dinner tables):
"christian: i think we should just kill all the muslims and let god sort 'em out
me: i'm a muslim if you wanna take me out back and start with me
christian: well...i mean the muslims in the middle east
me: ok well i'm going to go do my pilgrimage when i graduate school, i'll let you know when i'm getting on the plane so you know not to go muslim killing for a while"

you have no idea how entertaining it is for me to throw their cop-outs back in their faces
"sometime's you just have to have faith" was always one of my favorites. or when they start talking about jesus and i tell them that the koran quotes jesus more than any other prophet. that always gets them all red in the face. it's amazing how many people are willing to just condemn the religion without even actually reading the book. "sorry my religion doesn't condone violence and tells us not to preach to to those who aren't listening" even the word jihad doesn't necessarily imply violence, the most direct translation of the word into english is "to struggle." and let's face it, christians dont have any more physical evidence with which to argue in favor of their religion than do muslims, scientologists, or members of the church of the flying spaghetti monster (http://www.venganza.org/ this is a REAL religion that is legally recognized by the US government, i got knighted at a Renaissance fair a while back, they seemed skeptical that i was a true believer though.)

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No apology needed.
Pretty funny POV on being Muslim to piss off xtains: being atheist does the trick as well.
When I tell xtains im Buddhist, they really dont seem that bothered by me although that means Im atheist.
I really dont care what religion someone is or isnt.
I just like to poke fun at all religions.

i actually started reading the koran out of curiosity thinking "there's no fuckin way the biggest religion out there encourages suicide bombings in the name of righteousness" after reading it, not only did i find i was right, but i was like...wow, this religion is actually kinda cool for monotheism. of course it was compiled over a thousand years later, so it incorporates some slightly more informed ways of thinking. i need to get that book ron paul quotes all the time Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (2005; ISBN 1-4000-6317-5), where it outlines the motivations in practically every suicide bombing in history (religion not being one of them.)
the hard part is convincing people that we've actually done something to provoke terrorism without getting Bill O'reily to do a report on it. Usually they just flat out deny that we have ever passed embargoes that prevent people from obtaining food and medical supplies and are unwilling to read the documents that i've procured from the red cross or even the cia.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 19521.html
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/engli ... 44522.html
Hopefully as more generations of old people die these ignorant *cough* "conservative" *cough* perspectives die with them. In the meantime though, unfortunately, conservative christian groups are a huge part of practically every community in the country, and we'd do ourselves a lot more good trying to persuade them that Zionism isn't supported by the bible (which it honestly isn't in my opinion, as morbid as the bible is sometimes.) Maybe i'll write James Dobson and some other prominent christians and get some quotes from them to write a thesis about it with when i have more time

Do you listen to bill hicks at all? I always thought he had some funny shit to say about religion. "Ever noticed how creationists always look particuarly unevolved? Slumped over with big hairy knuckles. 'I believe the world has only been around 3 thousand years.' Looking at you i can believe that"

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"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Einstein

Xtain faith is still the largest religion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups Mob rule is no indication of rational thought so I wouldn’t take too much comfort in the size of your chosen religion. Regardless if it endorses suicide bombing specifically or not it is still a book filled with many verses citing, violence, hatred, guilt, fear, death and the promise of an afterlife all enough for me not to be interested or anyone who critically looks at what they believe in. My god would need to be a tad more evolved.



lol... once again I don’t see anything 'informed' in the Koran anymore than Shakespeare.




Yes many people feel that same way including myself. Atheist and non believers are being born all the time. The atheist community has helped in that respect. Attacking the idea from both fronts is useful. There is one draw back for you as you align yourself with Islam.



Yes. I like a lot of his stuff.

Yeah... Every time there is a birth.

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I was actually mistakenly referring to a statistic i had read that the Koran had sold more copies worldwide than the bible. Looked it up, turns out i'm dead wrong. And when i said more informed i should have said "more rational." Both books are of course subject to interpretation, but I think that not preaching to those who aren't listening and a lot of other perspectives represented in the koran make it a more evolved text. And i should clarify that i'm not realy a practicing muslim to the full extent, hence why i wrote "agnostic muslim." I don't go to church (though i've considered it before), and i don't necessarily support creationism. I just think its a bit ignorant to sit there and say "there is no god, i know this." That's just an assumption. Maybe i should start telling people "I'm an agnostic who frequently reads Islamic text" *shrug*. And as far as the book citing violence and fear and the like, i guess that helps me identify with it better in a way having grown up in the ghettos of California and witnessing acts of murder and rape at such a young age. While i detest this type of behavior, it's part of life and it's not going anywhere any time soon, at least not in my lifetime. I just can't really identify with religions that i deem too Utopian. I should probably read up on Buddhism more before i toss it into that category though.

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"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Einstein

lol... I know. I was referring to the born again atheist.

I dont understand what this means.



I know for fact there is no god ie George Michael is gay. If there was a god, he would be nude in my bed singing 'I want your sex' although 'one more try' is a sexier video of George.