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 Post subject: Why I am not a Christian part II
 Post Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:14 pm 
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Why I'm not a Christian part II the NT
The New Testament is just as bad. And without the Old Testament Christians have no creation story and no Ten Commandments.

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"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men....(Eph. 6:5-7, NIV)


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"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered (1 Tim. 6:1, NIV)."


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"Slaves, obey your earthy masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord (Col. 3:22, NIV)."


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Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,....(Titus 2:9, NIV)."


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"Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also those who are harsh....Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:18,21, NIV)."


Wow Paul and Peter sure seem to be OK with Slavery.


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ROM. 1:26-27 ("For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use (a degrading word--Ed.) of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly...."),


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1 COR. 6:9-10 Mod. Lang. ("...Be not misled; neither profligates, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor partakers of homosexuality...will inherit the kingdom of God")


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1 TIM. 1:9-10 NASB ("...the law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners...and immoral men and homosexuals....").


Unless you just hate gay people too, you would have to admit the Bible yes the New Testament sure doesn't approve of them.

Now how about the divine right of Kings which Chriistians lived under for 1800 years? Don't forget the praise for King David, King Solomon, and King Saul, no where does it say we should have a Republic and vote and that Kings are just ordinary men. See ROM 13 apparently God appointed all the leaders, gee do you think maybe the leaders wrote that themselves?

This is why Rome embraced Christianity, ...


Jesus (the son of god) wasn't real. At least the bulk of his story is bull. They just ripped off older myths from different people and reused them.
It's also why Matthew and Luke give different genealogies because they were attempts to link him with King David's bloodline. Jesus (the man/philosopher) was a real person.

As for the walking on water and all that, it's just nonsense.


Here is a run down of what went down.

Some Jews didn't like the idea of having a God for everyone just the chosen people, and they divided over this. The reformers invented Christianity, a passive religion under Saul/Paul who wrote the majority of the New Testament himself, which just so happened to give god's ultimate authority to the current rulers (Romans 13) and supported monarchy and feudalism. Rome was in limbo between a Republic and a dictator all the time. Eventually the Emperor-side wins and they adopt Christianity because:

For one it stripped power away form all the polytheistic priests, oracles, and temple heads who had political clout. Xney the competition check.

Secondly it nurtured greater authoritarianism under the 'one god rules' thing just like the government. Note how stressed the old "there is only one god bla bla bla" is pushed at the time, it was very important.

Thirdly, it centralized the wealth and this is crucial, rather than all these different temples to gods and goddesses' temples dividing the suckers' money it all got centralized. (then they used it in politics and they also made money on marriages and deaths ect... they use the military to conquer, convert, and collect. It's a perpetual business)

Fourthly it shuts up the poor because of how it is structured to dope them up with a fancy afterlife escapism which is contingent on the virtue equals obedience condition. I.e. work hard and suffer now and you get rewards later when your dead and can't demand a refund. It has a psychological appeal to the underclass (the biggest threat) via false hope.Christianity has in essence always been a religion of the State unlike other religions.

The for-profit business church would later divided into three and then spend a few centuries fighting each other in wars over who would get to collect from where and then they fought some equally asinine Muslims and then they turned on the Jews, Atheist, Pagans, and finally the Native Americans. It's basically a sick history of kill convert and collect. And of course it was use to support slavery sexism and list of crazy things from animal sacrifice to circumcisions.

Religions like Christianity have deep connections economics and government. As businesses they often neglect their own teaching and use their religious texts to justify crimes against humanity. From crusades and jihad to Manifest Destiny and Zionism.

That was way over simplified but there is your super brief history.

As you can see the New Testament is just as hateful as the last one. And Again I didn't even have time to get into all the women bashing and the killing. I think the slavery and the homophobia and unconstitutional monarchies where 90% of the people lived as a serf class would be enough. And I think it would be beating a dead horse to bring up all the people these holy rollers killed in their kill convert and collect escapades.

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90% of people being serfs is better than 99.9% of people being slaves :)

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The 'slaves' you mention are 'citizens' of Nations, any/all Nations. That is who was left 'in control', the Church wasn't set up for 'ruling anybody'. Politicians are men's shepherd these days, that doesn't mean they will be any better at running things that the temple leaders were 2,000 years ago. With responsibility come greater wrath should they go against what little power they were given over the affairs of men.

Isa:56:10:
His watchmen are blind:
they are all ignorant,
they are all dumb dogs,
they cannot bark;
sleeping,
lying down,
loving to slumber.
Isa:56:11:
Yea,
they are greedy dogs which can never have enough,
and they are shepherds that cannot understand:
they all look to their own way,
every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Isa:56:12:
Come ye,
say they,
I will fetch wine,
and we will fill ourselves with strong drink;
and to morrow shall be as this day,
and much more abundant.

Jeremiah:25 has some more about the leaders of the Nations and it isn't any better.


The reason for the different heritage lines is that Matthew is His line as heir to David's throne, the one in Luke is from His mother, Mary, her heritage is based on her being a daughter of Aaron, that is His heritage as authority to be a Priest, which He is, right back to Adam.


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The Bible seems to hold all those Old Testament Kings in high respect, yet according to the Bible, these Kings were the biggest sinners! :lol: Hundreds of wives at the same time, concubines galore, etc. Its very hypocritical, and where did these old kings find the time!


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I'm not sure having many wives was something brought on by lust (other than King Davids indiscretion), it was more a matter of the world being under-populated, many wives meant many children, many children meant more people to defend the Nation (or whatever). Weren't families encouraged to have large families even as recently as post-WWII, for that very reason?


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MHz the slaves were slaves period we have 1800 years of history to prove it. Also it was set up to control people from the Pharroh to the kind the diea of divine rule set up the government.

The bible never means what it says it always means what I say. Typical Christian appology. There rules on how to bhuy and sell the slaves, how to beat them, what do do with their children etc., they were cattle slaves no possible question about it.

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Actually Scripture stands on it's own as to what it means, men certainly have the ability to attempt to twist it to say what they think it means but since evry point is is made in at least 3 different places the attempt to twist it pretty much falls flat once all the references are taken into account.

So who were their 'slaves' in the OT? The Nations they conquered only had women that were married later, were they the 'slaves'? A person could become a 'servant' if they were working off a debt, but that usually included the whole family. (being as that met the families needs for food and shelter while the debt was being worked off). That always had a finite time, every Jubilee year they were all released, but could be 'rehired'.

The closest thing to a 'slave' in the OT would be the 'bondmen' but they were more a rarity than there being 'many'.


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