Anti-Neocons

Capitalism and socialism aren't the only two choices.

Just a few:

Worker-owned cooperatives relying on market allocation

Participatory economies consisting of planned economies by nested regional worker and consumer councils--a "bottom up" command economy, as it were

Gift economies where goods and services are given with no quid pro quo neccesarily implied.

There are more but it's late and I'm tired. My point is, postcapitalist economics isn't limited to traditional Marx-derived socialism.


Oh, and somebody mentioned no innovation in a socialist economy. A valid point but innovation in a capitalist economy isn't always in the right direction. Cures for baldness and erectile disfunction are more profitable than other, more socially beneficial areas of research like a male contraceptive.

that last one was me again...dammit I need to remember to log in!!!

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the US is a mix of capitalism and socialism lol.

we have been for decades

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Yeah but the mix is backwards. Socialists are always approaching their ideology from a worker's point of view and they're right about one thing - their brand of Socialism is different from the governments brand. Their socialism, by and large, is for Corporations and the wealthy. The Communist Party of the United States and other parties approach it from a worker's stand point.

The government's brand is obviously more destructive, but I think they're both fundamentally flawed. I was talking about more of a Socialism where, exactly like you said, there are more regulations for Corporate activities because despite what the law says - they should NOT be considered people. They should only be there to serve the needs of people. Corporations should be slaves to the people, not the other way around. That approach could limit our entrapenural (don't know if I spelled that right) liberties, but it's better than the vital rights people who the Corporatiosn would exploit would lose if the regulations were not in place.

And then when a Republican promotes Capitalism, he or she is trying to eliminate the very "Socialism" that I would want to employ - one that keeps tabs on the activities of Corporate power. The Republican wants Capitalism to that extent. The Socialism that the Republican partakes in when his company recieves fat subsidy checks, the Socialism that the Republican partakes in when his or her government unstabilizes a reigion so the raw materials are less expensive and the cheap labor is cheaper and more desperate, the Socialism that Republican partakes in when her stock takes a plunge and all the pensions her workers had are taken care of by the government? Oh that Socialism is fine! Yeah, them Commies had some great ideas of how to keep the powerful in power!

That's exactly the Socialism I despise and would want taken out. And that's exactly where I think Capitalism needs to thrive.

So obviously, when I said a mix of Capitalism and Socialism, I wasn't saying "yeah.. stick with what we got". But I think you knew that. Smart ass.

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your over estimating the intelligence of the common man.



Yeh I knew what you meant. I was responding more to those who see things as either or capitalism or socialism when neither one has ever existed. Captialim is actually a plutocracy and communism is actually an oligarchy.



So you and Nomad agree then because that is a Green's position.

I think we have a cultural problem thst stems largely from religion. What motivates one to economically thrive under the above stated conditions? I think because of our culture of greed which I went off on in the "Rants" section, that whatever form of government we came up with it would morph into the imperialist MIC state we have today.

As Kant said, any government can work (even a dictator) given an enlightened culture. But we have is the culture of apathy and hyper-consumerism. Oh the shiny things they have become the new kings.

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and now facism. with socialism on the decline?

oh and about the question. hell i don't know WHAT i am. i take tests and quizzes and ask people and come up even on all of them and with no real answers. i guess i'm just mixed up and looking for a niche.

the way i vote is for the candidate who most closely and best represents me, and i believe everyone should be educated on the issues and do the same.

we should do away with political parties period and also go to a direct democracy, eliminating the electoral college., and with direct online voting.

it should be illegal to say who's a republican and who's a democrat and who's a libertarian and who's green and who's a nazi. this would force people to look at the individuals and what they stand for, because after all should be representing our wishes and desires and carrying out policy accordingly.

every candidate should get a campaign fund, in proportion to the office they are seeking and should be allowed to spend no more than that. every candidate should also have to disclose their taxes and any affiliations with companies within a set time period and desribe their other job or jobs and what proportion of time they have to give to the elected position. (i think we do some of this now?)

the platform each candidate stands for should be spelled out clearly in plain english (and spanish now i guess lol) on a predetermined format so we're comparing apples to apples. this should be distributed well ahead of time via mail, public forum, online, and in newspapers, with welfare checks, with pension checks, with foodstamps and wic. there should be and debates on television and radio with real people asking the hard questions. this way every voter has an easy way to be educated on the issues and platforms and candidates.

if, once in office, the elected official deviates from the issues or platform, there should be an automatic recall clause if a set percentage of constituents says "you're fired." this too would be done by direct vote and goes goes for all elected officials, from the county roads supervisor on up to the president. oh and if the president gets fired, so does the vp, unless the vp was elected separately, which should happen as well...the vp runs just like any other elected official...no coattail riding anymore. this might force some cooperation and inhibit coercion.

anyway...so what am i? a zebra with pink and purple stripes huh? lol!

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well this can not be done BUT I have always said since like 5th grade that they should remove party names from the tickets. You should at least know the person's name you are voting for I mean that is a pretty low standard for voting awareness. But no, people vote for their party like its a team in sports or something. They vote for people they don't even know and have never read or spoken to because it is their party.

Lets take off the little D and Rs from the voting box. If they don't know who is who then they should not be voting. Now this is something we could actually do too.

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if it weren't for the Daily Show and Bill Maher, and a few others. I would run screaming from the country because they remind me that it's not all hate radio and Fox and that some people still have a sense of humor.

What are these hate radio and fox people thinking? they divide us vehemently and then cry divisiveness on the part of the dems or liberals? wtf?

any thoughts on Michael Savage? He seems pretty levelheaded, articulate and normal, even for a republican he goes off once in a while like we all do but he actually makes some sense.

ann coulter on the other hand. what a moron. is she for real or doing it for purely the shock value and to exploit a buck or two?

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Thats how the ballots are here in california. for any state elections, the ballot doesnt say anything about political party.

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