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 Post Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:57 am 
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In Response To Being Called An Anti-Semite and/or being stalked and harassed by the Pro-Israeli Forces ....

"The problem with fanatics is that they won't change their minds, and won't change the subject"
--Winston Churchill--

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--Ambrose Bierce--

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"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate
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person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18
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This is a site for anyone interested in the crime of stalking. It is meant to be not only a resource for stalking victims, but for law enforcement, mental health professionals, researchers, educators, legislators and security personnel.

State Supreme Court To Hear Internet Libel Case
The California Supreme Court is set to hear arguments in San Francisco Tuesday on whether someone who posts a defamatory comment by another person on the Internet can be sued for libel.
September 04, 2006

From Wikipedia

If They Call You An Anti-Semite, What Should You Do?
By Rev. Bill McGinnis
First, recognize that the charge of anti-Semitism is, itself, a vicious
"ad hominem" attack. It usually means that the person who accuses you of
anti-Semitism is unwilling to conduct a debate on the merits of your
ideas, but simply wants to discredit you on the basis of a supposed
personality fault in you. It's almost like calling you, "Child Molester"
or "Dope Addict!" or "Compulsive Kleptomaniac!" It tries to shift the
discussion away from your ideas and onto your supposed personality flaws.

Anyone who ever accuses you of anti-Semitism has thereby demonstrated
intellectual weakness in himself, by choosing to call you names rather
than discussing the merits of your ideas.

However, politics can be a rough game, and a certain amount of name
calling is expected, even beneficial, in the process of arriving at Truth
and Good Policy.

How then should you respond to a charge of anti-Semitism? I have given
this question some thought, and I have come up with several options for
you, depending on your personality and your objectives:

Selected Options In Responding To A Charge of Anti-Semitism

You can say . . .

"Your mother eats dirt."

"If I am an anti-Semite, then you are a Zionist Fanatic!"

"You are trying to avoid the issue by calling me a name."

Two rules to observe:

First, never ignore a charge of anti-Semitism. It is a serious attempt
to destroy your credibility by intellectually dishonest means. You
must recognize it for what it is, and send it back to the accuser, with
a rhetorical bomb in it. My favorite is, "Oh yeah? Well, I heard that
your mother eats dirt!" This will rattle your accuser, amuse the audience,
and call attention the the fact that neither accusation should be taken

Second, never apologize for what you said. Apologies merely encourage
the name callers to keep on calling names in the future. It's like trying
to negotiate with terrorists.

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.

Person B makes an attack on person A.

Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Example of Ad Hominem

BILL: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."

DAVE: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."

BILL: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"

DAVE: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say." ... minem.html

Ad hominem
From Wikipedia

Other Sources:

Who Killed Jesus?

"Jesus Had It Coming..."
By Edgar J. Steele
March 25, 2007
"Jesus Had It Coming..."
By Edgar J. Steele
March 25, 2007
(MP3 Format)

Interview with Prof. Norman Finkelstein
By Christopher Brown
May 25, 2006
Christopher Brown
Prof. Norman G. Finkelstein
Prof. Finkelstein, in your estimation why
does it seem that when someone challenges Israel on its policies towards
the Palestinians they are accused of anti-Semitism?

I think the answer is that in the past, if you
take the 1960s, 1970s and early 80s, the scholarly record and the
documentary record, it seemed to be supporting Israel's position. And so
Israelis and their supporters didn't typically charge anti-Semitism. What
they did was tell you to look at the record, look at the history and see that
it supports their claims. Beginning in the late 1980s and 1990s the work of
important Israeli historians as well as the documentary record of human
rights organizations, Israel's record did not look as good as it once did.
And it turned out that many of the things that people thought were the
case when they came to Israel actually turned out not to be the case.
Thus Israel's position both historically and in terms of its current human
rights record, as that position became more indefensible - it was then that
the charges of anti-Semitism began to be hurled with reckless abandon.
Because there was no other way to respond to the charges of what Israel
has done and is doing. It's wrong.

Norman Finkelstein: Is criticism of Israel Antisemitic? Pt6
Dr. Norman Finkelstein
Is Criticism of Israel Anti-Semitic?
May 15, 2004 Public Forum @ the Vancouver Public Library: "Is Criticism of Israel Anti-Semitic?"
November 18, 2006 ... dershowitz
(You Tube Video)

Understanding Anti-Semitism:
Why Do Some People Dislike Jews?
By Mark Farrell
2005 ... mitism.htm ... 55-2068764
(Windows Media Presentation)

Contemporary Antisemitism: Two Enablers
By James Woolsey
Chair, Freedom House, Former Director of the CIA
March 29, 2007 ... index.html
(RealPlayer Presentation)

Jackie Mason is not funny at all
"You are just an anti-Semite in your heart"
Ben Mankiewicz and Cenk Uygur Interview Jackie Mason
By yturks
March 30, 2007
(Windows Media Presentation) ... eMason.wmv

Israel Critics, Anti-Semitic
Crtical Mass - Out In The Open
Rabbi Michael Lerner Debates Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz
Paula Zahn Now
February 05, 2007
Are Israel Critics anti-Semitic? Lerner debates Dershowitz
Out in the Open: President Carter has been called a bigot and anti-Semite for writing the book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid." Former General Wesley Clark has also been accused for anti-Semitism for saying that the U.S. is being pushed to war by "New York Money People." The show host wonders if anyone can criticize Israel without the backlash.
Liberal Rabbi Michael Lerner debates Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz about the issue. Dershowitz said "I criticize Israel all the time" and said criticism of Israel is "good." ... dershowitz ... xH-XnI5uVw
(YouTube Video)

George Galloway + Accusation of Anti-Semitism = Fireworks!
This is a classic piece of audio from George Galloway's radio show. A caller accuses him of anti-Semitism and George goes off at him with a well-deserved rant!
December 03, 2006 ... dershowitz
(YouTube Video)

David Frum Claims Left-wing Blogs Are Filled With Anti-Semitism
Out of Bounds?; Bill Clinton's Media Blitz
CNN Reliable Sources
Howard Kurtz
September 24, 2006
Transcript: ... rs.01.html
(Windows Media Presentation)

Hate speech!
When someone calls your support for Palestinians as "hate speech", show this video!
By Latuff
October 10, 2006
(Google Video)

When an anti-semite is not an anti-semite
A new 'working definition' promoted by Israel lobbyists seeks to confuse anti-semitism with anti-Zionism.
By Arthur Neslen
April 05, 2007 ... _an_a.html

We Are Untouchable
By Tanya Hsu
August 04, 2006 ... m=8&y=2006

The Untermensch Syndrome: Israel's Moral Decay
By Manuel Valenzuela
July 19, 2006 ... moral.html

That's Funny You Don't Look Anti-Semitic
An anti-racist analysis of left anti-semitism
By Steve Cohen
1984 ... tents.html

Creeping prejudice
David Hirsh
April 21, 2006 ... _left.html

Understanding Online Hate
By Jane Tallim
Viewed August 16, 2006 ... lesson.cfm
(PDF Document) ... on_kit.pdf

Propaganda Techniques on Hate Sites ... lesson.cfm
(PDF Document) ... on_kit.pdf

Free Speech Versus the Internet ... lesson.cfm
(PDF Document) ... on_kit.pdf

Challenging Hate ... lesson.cfm
(PDF Document) ... on_kit.pdf

Progressive Jewish Thought and the New Anti-Semitism
By Alvin H. Rosenfeld
American Jewish Committee
December 2006
(PDF Document) ... hought.pdf

Holocaust and Holodomor (Origins of Anti Semitism)
By Nicholas Lyssson
December 29, 2006

Why God chose the Jews
By Andrew Klavan
January 14, 2006 ... 5872.story

Israel's policies are feeding the cancer of anti-semitism
It is a lie that to reject Zionism as it is practised today is to be the inheritor of Hitler's racism
By Paul Oestreicher
February 20, 2006 ... 44,00.html

Accusations of anti-semitic chic are poisonous intellectual thuggery
Attempts to brand the left as anti-Jewish because of its support of Palestinian rights only make it harder to tackle genuine racism
By David Clark
March 06, 2006 ... 59,00.html

Rosa Brooks: Criticize Israel? You're an Anti-Semite!
How can we have a real discussion about Mideast peace if speaking honestly about Israel is out of bounds?
By Rosa Brooks
September 01, 2006 ... 959.column

No, it's not anti-semitic
By Judith Butler
August 21, 2003

Semitic Semantics
Semitic is a Language Group, Not a Race or Ethnic Group
By Sam Hamod
July 12, 2003
Sam Hamod

An explanation of our search results.
Viewed January 11, 2007

Proud and true: He's a Jew
By Jonah Goldberg
August 15, 2000

An Open Word About Anti-Semitism
Part I Of III
By Andrew Winkler
January 22, 2007

An Open Word About Anti-Semitism
Part II Of III
By Andrew Winkler
January 25, 2007

The Ethics of Anti-Anti-Semitism
“Anti-Semitism is an unmistakable sign of solid mental health.” – Horst Mahler, lawyer and human rights activist
By Andrew Winkler
February 05, 2007

The New Crusaders
The radical traditionalist Catholics, who reject the teachings of the modern papacy, may form America's largest group of anti-Semites.
By Heidi Beirich
Winter 2007 ... sp?aid=719

The Dirty Dozen
Traditionalist Catholic groups are scattered around America and the world. But only a handful preach anti-Semitic hatred.
Winter 2007 ... sp?sid=396

Electronic Storm
Stormfront grows a thriving neo-Nazi community
By T.K. Kim
Summer 2005 ... sp?aid=551

To be Intimidated is to be an Accomplice
Notes on Anti-Semitism, Zionism and Palestine
By Tariq Ali
February 26, 2004
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le8117.htm

On Anti-Semitism
By Gilad Atzmon
December 20, 2003

Anti-Semitism: Frequently Asked Questions
By Craig Smith
This FAQ can be found online at:

Anti-Semitism a Christian disease? Not so fast.
By David A. Harris
January 25, 2007 ... ct=3479265

Essay Linking Liberal Jews and Anti-Semitism Sparks a Furor
By Patricia Cohen
January 31, 2007

There is no New Anti-Semitism
By Rabbi Michael Lerner
Rabbi Michael Lerner - Network of Spiritual Progressives
Viewed February 02, 2007

Progressive Jewish Thought and the New Anti-Semitism
By Alvin H. Rosenfeld
American Jewish Committee
December 2006
(PDF Document) ... hought.pdf

Are You a Liberal Anti-Semite?
Take this quiz and find out.
By Joe Lanzmann
February 02, 2007

Fury at 'anti-Semitism benefited Jews' claim
By Aled Blake
March 18, 2006 ... _page.html

Anti-Semite? Moi?
By Mark Glenn
Mark Glenn
February 23, 2007 ... semite-moi

Jewish Opposition to Israeli Human Rights Crimes is Growing
Criticizing Israel is Not an Act of Bigotry
By Jason Kunin
February 24, 2007

"Anti-Semitism," the Provocative Accusation
By Curt Maynard
March 02, 2007 ... ation.html

Nixon, Billy Graham target Jews on tape
The well-known preacher told Nixon that he needed to deal with the Jewish ''stranglehold'' on the media. The president agreed.
March 02, 2002 ... am_t.shtml

When Does Opposition to Israel or the Israel Lobby Indicate Anti-Semitism?
By Walter C. Uhler
March 06, 2007

Allah or Jesus?
Last updated: January 25, 2005

Bread and Media Circuses
Last updated: March 01, 2006

Principal considers students' chant about Jesus anti-Semitic
February 25, 2007 ... index.html

Sharia law
Susie Steiner explains the Islamic legal system which has sentenced a Nigerian woman to be stoned to death
By Susie Steiner
August 20, 2002 ... 72,00.html

Anti-Semitic actions at basketball game get schools' attention
By Steven G. Vegh
February 23, 2007 ... ran=212753

Principal Deems Jesus Chant Offensive
February 24, 2007 ... 9RJ01.html

Remember Kids: “Jesus” Is The Equivalent Of “Up yours!” In A Jewish Situation
February 25, 2007 ... -situation

More High School Chants That Will Get You in Trouble
February 26, 2007

New Red Cross logo paves way for Israel to join
Delegates OK ‘red crystal’ emblem, resolving Israeli objections to red cross
December 09, 2005

Graphic: Red Cross Logo/Insignia Differences - Israel Refused To Use A "Christian" Cruicifix ... SYMBOL.gif

Etymology and the Israel Lobby
When an Anti-Semite is Not an Anti-Semite
By Arthur Nelsen
April 07, 2007

Ferment Over 'The Israel Lobby'
Right now, this has become a subject that you can barely talk about without people immediately trying to silence you, immediately trying to discredit you in various ways, such that no American politicians will touch this, which is quite remarkable when you consider how much Americans argue about every other controversial political issue. To me, this is a national security priority for us, and we ought to be having an open debate on it, not one where only one side is being heard from.’
--Stephen Walt, professor of international affairs at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government, on a University of California, Berkeley, TV show called Conversations With History last fall, speaking about the chilling effect of the Israel lobby--
By Philip Weiss
April 27, 2006 ... =11&ar=201

The Existing Question
By Remi Kanazi
May 22, 2006

Israel's 'Right' to Exist
A question of legitimacy
By Genevieve Cora Fraser
June 09, 2006

Israel's immoral 'right to exist'
What is really being asked of the Palestinians is that they concede they are subhuman and thus deserve the horror to which they have been subject
By John V Whitbeck

Does Israel's "right to exist" actually exist?
October 10, 2006
By Scott Burchill

The Basis of Israel’s Right to Exist
Torah: Shemot / Exodus 6:2 - 9:35
Haftarah: Ezekiel 28:25 - 29:21
January 27, 2001

Right to exist
From Wikipedia

Denying Israel's Right to Exist and Anticipating its Destruction
By Itamar Marcus
March 27, 2002's%20right%20to%20exist.htm

"All of Israel is Palestine"
Denying Israel’s Right to Exist and Anticipating its Destruction

The issue is not whether Hamas recognises Israel
By Henry Siegman
June 08, 2006

Ten Years Of Research Into The 1947-49 War
The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined
Fifty years ago the UN decided to partition Palestine into two states, one Arab, one Jewish. The ensuing Arab-Israeli war ended with Israel expanding its share of the land by a third, while what remained to the Arabs was occupied by Egypt and Jordan. Several thousand Palestinians fled their homes, becoming the refugees at the heart of the conflict. Israel has always denied that they were expelled, either forcibly or as a matter of policy. Israel’s "new historians" have been re-examining that denial and have put an end to a number of myths.
By Dominique Vidal
December 1997

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
Third Edition (Including Intifada 2000)
By Jews For Justice In The Middle East

Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land
U.S. Media & the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
How Israel manipulates and distorts American public perceptions
Through the voices of scholars, media critics, peace activists, religious figures, and Middle East experts, Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land carefully analyzes and explains how--through the use of language, framing and context--the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza remains hidden in the news media, and Israeli colonization of the occupied terrorities appears to be a defensive move rather than an offensive one. ... Propaganda
(PDF Document) ... tit&lid=72
(Windows Media Presentation)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e14055.htm
http://www.videos.informationclearingho ... ppp100.wmv

Graphic: The Lobby - Because You're Not Allowed To Criticize Israel

Graphic: The Logic Of Evil

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Good post, because everytime you criticize israel you get slapped with anti-semite bull-shit. They really are trying to avoid a debate just by trying to discredit your whole argument with one word. It's a form of cowardism.

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 Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:37 am 
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I would not trust anything from wiki.

you do disclose your name (to someone) on the web its called a IP address.

Get The Empire Unmasked here

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The George Galloway one is excellent. nice one.

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I get in "e-mail" fights with ZIonist on myspace and after owning them they just call me a anti-semite which is based on nothing or they call me crazy also baseless and they go away because they dont know what to say. I know so may Jews who support Israel unconditionally because they do not know about or understand the occupation and when I tell them about the Settlements the colonies the abuses they dont believe it. All they know about is what is on the News and thats the Suicide bombimgs. They dont report Israel bombing CITIES like they did Jenin.

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 Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:06 pm 
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It's so sad how anti-semitism has become such a tool to be used that there has to be a post just to combat the baseless accusation...

But whenever I get called one I just respond with whatever works best with the situation. You know those idiots who accuse you have nothing else to say so either bag on their stupidity or own them Gallaway style. :D


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