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 Post Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:31 am 
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I wish someone would link to the George Carlin routine where they asked a Priest after killing everyone in the Crusades, etc...How did we get these stories, he says "we just fucking MADE IT UP"!

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 Post subject: Re: Christimas, Hidden History WARNING SPOLIER
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anyone got a working link to the video in the original post? funny timing for you guys to bump this cuz i was about to dig through and find it lol

but yea i have a friend who asked me to send him a link about the real history of Christmas, and i wanted to show him that video but its not working anymore


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Ry (and others),

I really enjoyed the read. It is well-researched, and to be best of my years of studying occult history -- it is factually correct.


However, I feel it necessary to point out something VERY important about Christianity. Prior to Christianity, early religion was based around Sun-worship and Moon-worship,and SECRET INITIATIONS (exoteric/esoteric meanings). Christianity was one of the FIRST religions based around ideals such as Love, Tolerance, Openness, and Forgiveness. These are very high ideals and are something we should all strive for and aspire to. The ideals of "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. " are incredibly meaningful and true.

Regardless of the factual truth of various aspects of the Bible (and yes, it is a messy book, and large parts of the Old Testament are nonsense), it is exceedingly important not to discard the MORAL parts of religion (such as Christianity) which provide the basis for our shared beliefs and our cohesive sense of right and wrong. Let's not throw everything away just because we have discovered we have been lied to. We must use discernment.

I want to quote from Occult Theocracy (published 1933) chapter on Christianity. Please do read this, it's exceedingly important to understand the nature of the current battle, which is ultimately that for the soul of mankind. Which is preferable-- moral relativism/nihilism leading to Luciferianism .... or a Christianity with its logical point of departure in Soren Kierkegaard?

Occult Theocracy (1933)
Chapter X
Christianity

pp105
To define Christianity, one could hardly do better
than use the words of Frederic W. Farrar, Canon of
Westminster and Chaplain to Queen Victoria, who in
1874 wrote a Life of Christ. In his preface are the following
lines :

" We study the sacred books of all the great religions
of the world ; we see the effect exercised by those
religions on the mind of their votaries ; and in spite
of all the truths which even the worst of them enshrined,
we watch the failure of them all to produce the inestimable
blessings which we have ourselves enjoyed
from infancy, which we treasure as dearly as our life,
and which we regard as solely due to the spread and
establishment of the Christian faith. We read the systems
and treatises of ancient philosophy, and in spite
of all the great and noble elements in which they abound,
we see their total incapacity to console, or support, or
deliver, or regenerate the world.
Then we see the light
of Christianity dawning like a tender spring day amid
the universal and intolerable darkness.
From the first,
that new religion allies itself with the world's utter
feeblenesses, and those feeblenesses it shares; yet
without wealth, without learning, without genius,



pp106

without arms, without anything to dazzle and attract the
religion 'of outcasts and exiles, of fugitives and prisoners
— numbering among its earliest converts not
many wise, not many noble, not many mighty, but
such as the gaoler of Philippi, and the runaway slave
of Colossae — with no blessing apparently upon it
save such as cometh from above — with no light whatever
about it save the light that comes from heaven —
it puts to flight kings and their armies ; it breathes a
new life, and a new hope, and a new and unknown holiness
into a guilty and decrepit world
. This we see ;
and we see the work grow, and increase, and become
more and more irresistible, and spread ' with the gentleness
of a sea that caresses the shore it covers. ' "
Words fail when attempting to speak of Jesus
Christ, the Founder of Christianity. His birth, life and
death are known to all. His teaching was public and
accessible to the humblest. Long years of learning,
awful initiation ceremonies striking terror in the
adept's soul were not required from the followers of
Christ.
Himself, the bearer of that Light which He
taught was not to be found in man's earthly nature
but was to be sought from without, He invoked God
with humble prayer and faith, and performed all miracles.

Therein, is Christ's teaching diametrically opposed
to that of the high adepts whose secret doctrine was
that man had divinity in himself and could bring it
out by exercise of will, by concentration of thought
and scientific psychic development. Fear, the predominant
feature attendant upon the gaining of knowledge
in all other religious systems, was foreign to the
adherents of Christ who were repeatedly told : ' Fear
not'... " Be not afraid '
. No bonds, no fetters were
imposed by Him in the shape of ritualism. Love of
God and love of neighbour were the only precepts,
Faith and Charity the only means through which the
divine Spirit gave man transcendental power over moral
evil and physical ills.

No purer and simpler doctrine, no greater knowledge
of the communion possible between God and man
had ever been given. Yet, within a very short time
after the death of Christ, Christian ritualism began to
appear. A theological system of dogmas and beliefs
was devised, modes of worship elaborated and a hierarchy
arose with all its attendant evils.
However,
the Christian faith, under the lash of persecution, had
shown the world the power of Faith and Charity.
And against this power the forces of evil have
ever been unfurled. Blow after blow was dealt to the
rising church.
Both its beliefs and practices were
attacked by those who professed other views and
worshipped other gods and who designed all schemes to
subvert and pervert Christianity. Henceforth, as it has
ever been with all religions, the history of Christianity
and of Gnosticism will develop side by side, the perversion
and destruction of the former being the aims
of the latter.

The Tree of Christianity gave forth three main
branches, the Catholicism of Rome, Greek Catholicism,
and in the XVI Century, Lutherism. The two
former bodies remained homogeneous but Lutherism
gave birth to innumerable sects all dissenting from the
parent church.

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For a full copy of the book Occult Theocracy (a rare book) please private message me. I have PDF. In any case, I implore all readers not to discard what they know in their heart . Here a partial table of contents of Occult Theocracy:


TABLE OF CONTENTS
VOLUME I
PART I
THE MYSTERIES OF FREEMASONRY
Chapter
I. — The Religion of the Secret 21
II. — The Meaning of Occultism 24
III. — Brahminism 44
IV. — Mazdeism (Zoroastrianism), Jainism 65
V. — Confucianism and Taoism 71
VI. — Egyptian Esoterism 73
VII. — Judaism, The Pharisees 75
VIII. — Orpheism and the Pagan Mysteries 90
IX. — The Druids 100
X. — Christianity 105
XI. — Manicheism 108
XII. — Witchcraft 112
XIII. — The Gnostics (The Heretics) 118
XIV. — Lamaism 123
XV. — The Yezidees (Devil Worshippers) 131
XVI. — Orthodox Islam 133
XVII. — Unorthodox Islam, The Ishmaelites, The
Lodge of Cairo 134
XVIII. — The Druses 138
XIX. — The Assassins 140
XX. — The Knights Templar 143
XXI. — Knights of Malta 146
XXII. — The Rosicrucians 147
XXIII. — Cathares, Albigenses, Waldenses 163
Chapter
XXIV. — The Moravians or The Order of Religious
Freemasons, etc 165
XXV. — The Anabaptists 171
XXVI. — Grand Lodge of England 174
XXVII. — The Gospel of Revolution 183
XXVIII. — The Preparation 188
XXIX. — General Pepe and " The One Big Union ". 200
XXX. — Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini.... 207
XXXI. — Practical Politics 241
XXXII. — Adriano Lemmi 253
XXXIII. — The Interlocking Directorate 297


I also have other rare books / information on science and religion for anyone interested.

(And yes, I agree, Christmas is a pagan holiday.)

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 Post subject: Re: Christimas, Hidden History WARNING SPOLIER
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:13 pm 
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Christianity was one of the FIRST religions based around ideals such as Love, Tolerance, Openness, and Forgiveness


lol no it wasn't nor is it. Christians have murdered 20% of the earths total population it is not a religion of tolerance or love.

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 Post subject: Re: Christimas, Hidden History WARNING SPOLIER
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:29 pm 
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Christians have murdered 20% of the earths total population


Although this argument is a logical fallacy (Guilt by Association) Ive responded anyway.
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Premise1: Individuals in the Past were Murderers. Premise2: These Individuals were also Christians. Conclusion: Therefore, all Christians are Murderers.

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Christians do not have a sole monopoly on murder in this world. Other organized religions and ideologies have engaged in comparable evil (Marxism, for example).

Organized Christianity (or organized religion for that matter) is a mechanism of social control. But religious morality -- a sense of right and wrong -- is the glue that a society us stand up against a radical evil. My aim here was to provide a voice to defend individualistic Christian human morality against this NWO nihilistic/Luciferian onslaught.

The point is this:

The institutions of the Church and the Governments -- specifically the individuals which comprised them -- are those who murdered innocent people. Individuals are responsible for their own actions -- I am not guilty for the actions of someone else acting in my name. I am only responsible for myself.

Furthermore, murderous individuals in the past , whether acting in the name of Christianity or any other ideology -- were engaged in evil. Their reasons for engaging in such atrocities may have included being deluded, misinformed, or corrupt... and invariably led by power-addicted destructive psychopaths who lacked a biological conscience.

Regarding psychopaths, I highly recommend this book:

Political Ponerology: A study of the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes
http://www.amazon.com/Political-Ponerol ... 1897244258

"Christianity" is an idea -- the only two requirements are 1. Love God the Creator and 2. Love Thy Neighbor. This is a simple but important teaching which I subscribe to.. though it is often corrupted by the usual suspects (the Church, the Government) for pathological motives. An idea cannot murder anyone unless reified -- an idea has no physical presence in the world --except through an individual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soren_Kierkegaard

...Ry, have you read Occult Theocracy, published in 1933 by Edith Starr Miller? I'd be happy to provide a copy .


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