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 Post Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:18 pm 
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Helicopter Rumour Refuses to Die:

Many Afghans believe foreign forces providing support for insurgents in the north.

By Ahmad Kawoosh - Afghanistan
ARR Issue 343, 2 Nov 09

Persistent accounts of western forces in Afghanistan using their helicopters to ferry Taleban fighters, strongly denied by the military, is feeding mistrust of the forces that are supposed to be bringing order to the country.

One such tale came from a soldier from the 209th Shahin Corps of the Afghan National Army, fighting against the growing insurgency in Kunduz province in northern Afghanistan. Over several months, he had taken part in several pitched battles against the armed opposition.

“Just when the police and army managed to surround the Taleban in a village of Qala-e-Zaal district, we saw helicopters land with support teams,” he said. “They managed to rescue their friends from our encirclement, and even to inflict defeat on the Afghan National Army.”

This story, in one form or another, is being repeated throughout northern Afghanistan. Dozens of people claim to have seen Taleban fighters disembark from foreign helicopters in several provinces. The local talk is of the insurgency being consciously moved north, with international troops ferrying fighters in from the volatile south, to create mayhem in a new location.

Helicopters are almost exclusively the domain of foreign forces in Afghanistan – the international military controls the air space, and has a virtual monopoly on aircraft. So when Afghans see choppers, they think foreign military.

“Our fight against the Taleban is nonsense,” said the soldier from Shahin Corps. “Our foreigner ‘friends’ are friendlier to the opposition.”

For months or even years, rumours have been circulating in Afghanistan that the Taleban are being financed or even directly supported militarily by the foreign forces.

In part it stems from an inability to believe that major foreign armies cannot defeat a ragtag bunch of insurgents; in addition, Afghanistan has been a centre of foreign intrigue for so long that belief in plots comes naturally to many war-weary Afghans.

The international troops hotly deny that they are supporting the insurgents.

“This entire business with the helicopters is just a rumour,” said Brigadier General Juergen Setzer, recently appointed commander for the International Security Assistance Force, ISAF, in the north. “It has no basis in reality, according to our investigations.”

The general added that ISAF-North had overall control of the air space in the northern region.

But the persistent rumours that foreign helicopters have been sighted assisting the Taleban in northern Afghanistan were given an unexpected boost in mid-October by Afghan president Hamed Karzai, who told the media that his administration was investigating similar reports that “unknown” helicopters were ferrying the insurgents from Helmand province in the south to Baghlan, Kunduz, and Samangan provinces in the north.

Captain Tim Dark, of Britain’s Task Force Helmand, was vehement in his reaction.

“The thought that British soldiers could be aiding and abetting the enemy is just rubbish,” he said. “We have had 85 casualties so far this year.”

Engineer Mohammad Omar, governor of Kunduz, refused to comment on the issue, but Enayatullah Enayat, governor of Samangan, also denied that the helicopters were moving the opposition around in Samangan.

“I am in contact with both national and foreign forces in Samangan,” he said. “I have not seen any suspicious helicopters bringing in the Taleban.”

The north has recently witnessed a spike in insurgent activity, particularly in Kunduz and Baghlan. Provinces that were relatively calm even six months ago are experiencing armed attacks, suicide bombings, even outright Taleban control over several districts.

In a district of Baghlan province, Baghlan-e-Markazi, residents witnessed a battle last month in which they insisted that two foreign helicopters had delivered the Taleban fighters who then attacked their district centre.

“I saw the helicopters with my own eyes,” said Sayed Rafiq from Baghlan-e-Markazi.

“They landed near the foothills and offloaded dozens of Taleban with turbans, and wrapped in patus (a blanket-type shawl).”

According to numerous media reports, the Taleban attacked the district centre, and the district police chief along with the head of counter-narcotics and a number of soldiers were killed.

Commander Amir Gul district governor of Baghlan-e-Markazi insisted that the Taleban fighters had been delivered by helicopter.

“I do not know to which country the helicopters belonged,” he told IWPR. “But these are the same helicopters that are taking the Taleban from Helmand to Kandahar and from there to the north, especially to Baghlan.”

According to Amir Gul, the district department of the National Security Directorate had identified the choppers, but it refused to comment.

Baghlan police chief Mohammad Kabir Andarabi said that his department had reported to the central government that foreign helicopters were transporting the Taleban into Baghlan.

The Baghlan provincial governor, Mohammad Akbar Barikzai, told a news conference on October 21 that his intelligence and security services had discovered that unidentified helicopters were landing at night in some parts of the province.

“We are investigating,” he said.

Rumours have reached the point where US ambassador Karl Eikenberry felt compelled to address them last week at a ceremony honouring the more than 5,500 Afghan police and soldiers who have died during the present war.

The reports were “outrageous and baseless”, said Eikenberry, as reported by McClatchy newspapers. “We would never aid the terrorists that attacked us on September 11, that are killing our soldiers, your soldiers, and innocent Afghan civilians every day.”

Afghan political analysts have woven elaborate theories as to why the foreign forces would be helping the Taleban.

According to Rahim Rahimi, a professor at Balkh University, America and the United Kingdom are trying to keep all of Afghanistan insecure, so that people feel the need for the foreign forces.

“They will try and destabilise the north any way they can,” Rahimi said. “It is a good excuse to expand their presence in the area, to get a grip on the gas and oil in central Asia.”

Fighting Islamic extremists was one way to insert themselves into the area without provoking a fierce reaction from Russia and the Central Asian governments, he added.

Numerous websites have devoted blogs, columns and “investigative reports” to the helicopter rumours; literally everyone has heard the whispers, and many, if not most, believe them. It provides an added reason to suspect and fear the foreign forces, as well as an explanation for the rapid spread of the insurgency throughout the country.

In the end, it may not really matter whether the rumours are ever substantiated. The firm belief that Afghans have in them can determine attitudes and behaviour, further fueling mistrust of the westerners in their midst.


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US playing both sides?.... no :roll: You mean this war is about making the MIC money and not about catching Osama Bin Laden? Imagine my lack of shock.

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Ry wrote:
US playing both sides?.... no :roll: You mean this war is about making the MIC money and not about catching Osama Bin Laden? Imagine my lack of shock.


Would this be a situation where the underlings on both sides have no idea that their leaders are in cahoots with each other's designated enemy?


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a few know, most don't. this has been my suspicion for sometime, that the afghan war is completely fabricated. i think thats why so few have died when compared with iraq. they're trying to keep it going as long as possible, hanging out in this country where the people aren't a real threat to create a viable insurgency, so the US creates its own opposition to justify the arms sales, as well as the selling of heroine and the control of oil and natural gas in central asia. it's easy to do when the enemy is not definable. you claim anyone you want to be a terrorist. the quote where a US official was saying we would never aid the Taliban, and characterizing the taliban as the 9/11 attackers is quite telling.

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a few know, most don't. this has been my suspicion for sometime, that the afghan war is completely fabricated. i think thats why so few have died when compared with iraq. they're trying to keep it going as long as possible, hanging out in this country where the people aren't a real threat to create a viable insurgency, so the US creates its own opposition to justify the arms sales, as well as the selling of heroine and the control of oil and natural gas in central asia. it's easy to do when the enemy is not definable. you claim anyone you want to be a terrorist. the quote where a US official was saying we would never aid the Taliban, and characterizing the taliban as the 9/11 attackers is quite telling.


they have kept the number of dead to an execptable number so to continue war, just enuff so they can say, well we have to stay the course so our boys didn't die in vain an all that shit. Iraq was huge a succes for the MIC, they got out clean lol, on ABCNNBCFOX. the afghan war is not a completely fabricated war there was a crazy taliban there so it has some bases for reality. but yeah after that they just wanted to stay for the resources and H. how far back do think it was desiged? after the cold war when we started supporting them? and it's more like their oppertunists while "securing the realm" for Israel.. they do share a border with Iran which is probably another good reason why they went back.

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Afghan political analysts have woven elaborate theories as to why the foreign forces would be helping the Taleban.

According to Rahim Rahimi, a professor at Balkh University, America and the United Kingdom are trying to keep all of Afghanistan insecure, so that people feel the need for the foreign forces.

“They will try and destabilise the north any way they can,” Rahimi said. “It is a good excuse to expand their presence in the area, to get a grip on the gas and oil in central Asia.”


Well that is what the MIC/CIA/Mossad do best

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So is there a genuine resistance at all, or is it all controlled opposition?


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Int'l man of mystery wrote:
So is there a genuine resistance at all, or is it all controlled opposition?



"That, Winston, you shall never know."

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bruno718 wrote:
Int'l man of mystery wrote:
So is there a genuine resistance at all, or is it all controlled opposition?



"That, Winston, you shall never know."


that was too perfect


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Imagine this; a general banging his fist on the table yelling to president obama "we need more terrorists, goddamned!!! Now, either you provide us some or we make some of our own."
Oh man, this world...it's so sick.

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