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I got into this on another thread, long read but worth it.

http://www.nocturne.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


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Universal Soldier -- Buffy St. Marie


He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
He fights with missiles and with spears.
He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
He's been a soldier for a thousand years.

He'a a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill,
And he knows he always will,
Kill you for me my friend and me for you.

And he's fighting for Canada,
He's fighting for France,
He's fighting for the USA,
And he's fighting for the Russians,
And he's fighting for Japan,
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.
And he's fighting for Democracy,
He's fighting for the Reds,
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one who must decide,
Who's to live and who's to die,
And he never sees the writing on the wall.

But without him,
How would Hitler have condemned him at Labau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
He's the one who gives his body
As a weapon of the war,
And without him all this killing can't go on.

He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,
His orders come from far away no more,
They come from here and there and you and me,
And brothers can't you see,
This is not the way we put an end to war.



I love this song

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Jawn wrote:
I was in the JROTC my freshmen year. (sorry guys). The main thing that was repeated to us with all the recruiters was free college. That is the reason I lasted 4 weeks in there. I eventually got kicked out because I wouldn't cut my hair, I told the major that I liked to express myself so he told me to find another class. It was one of the coolest things I did in all my life... got kicked out for being myself. :)


That is cool Jawn. Reminds me of a Primus song, actually....

Primus - Sgt. Baker off of the Sailing the Seas of Cheese album

Sgt. Baker is my name
I'm gonna teach you how to play the game
of warfare
Suddenly it appears to me
You got a bit much dignity
For your own good, boy
Yes sir, yes sir.

I will rape your personality
Pummel you with my own philosophy
Strip you of your self-integrity
To make you all a bit like me
I said right, left

Sgt. Baker here again
And if you calls me "puddin Tame"
I'll stomp you down, boy
Steers and Queers
Steers and Queers where you come
>From there's just steers and queers
And you ain't got no horns, boy
Yes sir, yes sir

I will rape your personality
Pummel you with my own philosophy
Strip you of your self-integrity
To make you all a bit like me
I said right, left

Fucking awesome band. They don't usually deal with politics but they ARE something of a social awareness band dispite their silliness. They're always talking about back-water hicks and the plight of the poor. Plus, they're staunch opponents of meth use (though who isn't but meth users). In any case, this is a damn good song.

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this song is great also.. Megadeth from the Rust in Peace album

Holy Wars…
(Mustaine)

Brother will kill brother
Spilling blood across the land
Killing for religion
Something I don’t understand

Fools like me,who cross the sea
And come to foreign lands
Ask the sheep, for their beliefs
Do you kill on God’s command?

A country that’s divided
Surely will not stand
My past erased, no more disgrace
No foolish naive stand

The end is near, it’s crystal clear
Part of the master plan
Don’t look now to Israel
It might be your homelands

Holy wars

Upon my podium, as the
Know it all scholar
Down in my seat of judgement
Gavel’s bang,uphold the law
Up on my soapbox, a leader
Out to change the world
Down in my pulpit as the holler
Than-thou-could-be-messenger of God

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Fuck yeah! Good call expendable youth!

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written in 2005

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Now that we're officially five years in, I can't argue that alot of soldiers weren't signing up to kill people anymore. I had a lot of friends that went military right after high school('00 for me) and they were signing up for money for college or mechanical/vocational training. Even had a buddy laugh at me when I reminded him that if we went to war he'd have to go. He said "We're not going to war, and even if we do I couldn't kill anyone. They'll put me in the baracks cooking or doing laundry."

:(

But yes, all these new recruits that have signed up since 9-11 basically just want to kill Muslims :|

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well I miss fatpat but he didn't agree when I took Democracy now and Amy Goddman to school. I also would not ban Iconoclast.

Pat found myspace and slowly disappeared. And what Tim said. BUt he was a good guy.

Now opinions are turning my way. When I first said this stuff, I was trying to counter the rising tide of pro-military praise right or wrong people "support the troops" I showed better in my book how meaningless that is. Its a bit of the post modernist philisophy mess where because of a mass of ignorance words take on new meanings or become meaningless.

Support meaning what? That you dont want them dead? No support the troops was covert for support the war. Because what are the troops doing? They are making the war. And it is their falt because they didn't have to go. They bare the responcinbility. Last time I checked "Following Orders" was not an excuse to commit crimes.

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