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 Post subject: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:31 am 
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It used to be that an Antisemitic was anyone who hates the Jews. Today, an Antisemitic is anyone the Jews hate. What does "Jew" even mean? Is it a race, or a religion, or just a tribal identity. It is all of the above. But above all it is an identity of victim-hood. Being Jewish today has less and less to do with religion or genetic bloodline than it does to self identifying with being associated with the European Holocaust. There is a reason there is a religious, and racial, and political taboo surrounding the word Jewish.

You can't question any aspect the Holocaust without facing the threat of jail any many countries and being completely ostracize and labeled racist anywhere else. You can criticize religion with difficulty in most places except for Judaism, to do that again makes you a racist. And it's even difficult to criticize Israel as a nation which ethnically cleanses its neighbors, without also facing the same kind of flack.

Are Jews a race? No not in reality, not based on genes. Jews, based on faith or custom, decided you inherit your Jewishness through your mother regardless of who your father was. You are also born a Jew, you can't adopted it, so it is not a belief. You also can not choose to reject it either, so the title is passed on as if it were racial. A degree of faith is necessary to be Jewish. But without the Holocaust, being Jewish is stripped of its meaning. Even without all its silly miracles, creation stories, and dietary taboos, Judaism is still a faith even with the supernatural stuff removed. The most damning concept in Judaism is not the spiritual mumbo-jumbo, the magical explanations for why things work, found in many religions, the most damning concept is the the notion of dividing the entire world into two groups, Jews and Gentiles (Jews and non-Jews). It doesn't matter if you reject Noah's Ark or not, you are Jewish by heredity and the majority of the rest world is not. You are defined by what you are not.

That kind of beginning is psychologically unhealthy from the very start, and yet even so called Atheist Jews as well as Non-Jews accept it as just some matter of fact that there is a people who define themselves as not being in the same group as all the other people. Although there are many interpretations for the religious texts, the literal one is what is practiced by Zionist. They have a concept of a God who is both a real estate agent and a racist. And so they have God ordained theft and a green light from Heven to murder people living on the land they declared for themselves in their holy books, which of course if you are not religious you know they just wrote themselves.

Once again even 'Atheist' Zionists accept the historical claims made in the religious text, even after dropping the supernatural junk, as true. For them being Jewish is tribal not spiritual. You don't have to be religious to be racist. For some, it is as simple as Israeli nationalism. For some it is simple hate based politics. They cling to an identity of negation where hating Arabs, or hating Muslims is all they need. They do however need the religious story in order to milk other religious institutions mainly fanatical Christians, for billions of dollars to finance their apartheid state.

Judaism is a religion. However Jewish-ness is not. In the minds of those who accept it they think of it was something they inherit much like Irish Americans, German Americans, etc. Only rather than it being a place their ancestors are from they make it about a race. It's not really a race, but that is how they treat it. Thus even non-religious people like Bill Maher, Noam Chomsky, or Jon Stewart, think of themselves as Jews. That is, to them, it is about being related people who were the same type of people who were killed in the Holocaust. They don't even have to have religious parents, their children will be considered Jewish too because they are related to a 'Jew.' The tribal aspect has long since over taken the fear of ham sandwiches, wearing a yarmulke, or hating your mother-in-law. No one in their right mind would call themselves an Atheist Christian or an Atheist Muslim. It is a contradictory of terms. However for the Jew, Jewishness is not Judaism, and Judaism is not even open to those not of also of the Jew Tribe.

However, Israel has also found it successful to bleed money from the United States by overlapping their interest with the financial incentives of war-machine which never stopped growing since WWII. Likewise the US congress has figured out that so long as they include Israel somewhere in the bill, no matter how much military pork they ask for, the bill will automatically pass with neither party opposing. Opposing the military spending in this case would be opposing Israel and by extension since Israel defines itself as the Jewish state would mean you are opposing "the" Jews, which is then anti-Semitic, which makes you a Nazi: the epitome of evil. The other problem is, unlike any other foreign country, the Israeli lobby under the guise of being a Jewish lobby, gets to openly bribe congress with endless state backing, as well as the presidential hopefuls to ensure that no matter who is chosen they have to be 'kosher' and obey Israel's demands.

In reference to "the" holocaust (which is unique in itself even though other ethnic groups have been murdered in the millions or tens of millions,) if you say 5,999,999 you are a Neo-Nazi scum of the earth and belong in prison. Why the hyper sensitivity to this subject? If someone has a really bad academic idea then let it fall on its face on its own accord. The holocaust has created for itself an industry. Every new invasion is to get rid of a new Hitler and any opposition to war is to side with the "isolationist" who are blamed rather than Hitler's own militarism for creating WWII.

More than anything the Holocaust industry is the financial medium for Zionist expansion and colonialism and over shadows any and all crimes committed by Israel no matter how similar they are to what they have accused the Nazi party of doing 75 years ago. In fact without a Holocaust, there is really nothing to differentiate the allied power's own crimes from the axis's powers crimes. Everyone starved millions of people to death killed civilians and bombed non-military targets. Stalin more so even than Hitler. Prior to that the French, British and Americans could hardly point the finger at anyone and yell genocide. And after the war the Americans have continued to murder millions of people From South East Asia to the Middle East. But none of those are Holocausts because history is written by the victors.

A racist Jew has all the benefits of the bias and prejudice of a racist groups without any of the negative backlash. The favoritism is accepted. But the normal reaction to any other racist group behaving in such away would be exclusion from every other group not included. However if a Jewish person is also a racial supremacist be it coupled with religious bigotry or just of their own poor reasoning, this is acceptable. In fact, the more racist Jews behave the better and if you oppose any of it YOU will be labeled the racist. If a Jewish person is not racist they will be chastised by the Zionist Jews. However even when a Jewish person is not a racist, they still seem to cling to tribalism. They make groups such as Jews for X. Why? What is necessary about adding the word Jew to it? Do we ever see Caucasians for peace? Aryans against drunk driving? No. You will only see a tag line when it is from a group that sees itself are marginalized. This kind of separatism is psychologically engrained in "Jews" that they are different and marginal and must act as a group even for positive very agreeable things.

It would be best to accept Judaism is as a religion and all other forms of Jewishness as another myth, maybe at most a heritage, but at some point if you are not a practitioner of the faith and customs then you have assimilated to wherever you live. You are part of a culture which is defined by what you actually do, not by what you think you inherited. It is tough, because the marginalized groups have a lot of appeal. Being a minority is cool, it has advantages. We really ought to stop assigning collective guilt on people who look like other people in the past who acted a certain way. It's not people doing those things anyway it's governments. It is wrong to elevate or condemn a 'race' of people based on individual inventors or criminals. All the individuals, really have nothing to do with those people, great or terrible.


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 Post subject: Re: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:59 am 
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When did Israel get so much influence in the country? When did it really start and how? I remember finkelstein saying that the holocaust wasn't seen like it was today untill the 60s or 70s. I'd appreciate it, If you can break down when, how, and the people that led to the Israel influence/ lobby today.


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 Post subject: Re: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:03 pm 
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It started with LBJ after the JFK assassination.

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 Post subject: Re: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:05 pm 
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Ry wrote:
It started with LBJ after the JFK assassination.

You got an all roads to jfk right?


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 Post subject: Re: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:24 pm 
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Notice also everytime they accuse you of "anti-semitism",(which ofcourse is BS) they throw the blacks in there as a trick to get more backing and emotional following. But that only flies here in the U.S. where the avg. IQ is the worlds lowest.

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 Post subject: Re: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:31 pm 
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You know when I went to put my JFK stuff on Trutube was when they got into server trouble and have been down since then.

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 Post subject: Re: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:23 pm 
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Jewish is a religion not a race. The idea of a race is a religious one. If your mom and dad are practising judaism, that makes them Jewish not you unless you practise.


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 Post subject: Re: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:38 pm 
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Judaism is a religion. However Jewish-ness is not. In the minds of those who accept it they think of it was something they inherit much like Irish Americans, German Americans, etc. Only rather than it being a place their ancestors are from they make it about a race. It's not really a race, but that is how they treat it. Thus even non-religious people like Bill Mhar, Noam Chomsky, or Jon Stewart, think of themselves as Jews. That is to them it is about being related people people who were the same type of people who were killed in the Holocaust. They don't even have to have religious parents, their children will be considered Jewish too because they are related to a Jew.

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 Post subject: Re: 'The' Jews
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:52 pm 
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Well ethnicity at most.
I like Noam Chomsky. He has done a lot for Palestine.
Zionism is another topic all together as you have stated in your initial post.


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