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 Post subject: Re: 911 coverup condensed to 28 minutes
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:54 pm 
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But we do know what happened on flight 93. we uncovered the balck box the flight recording and have dozen of airphone and cell phone calls. Plus a there was big hole in the ground with plane parts an engine etc. They took the plane down end of story. Unless you think all that stuff is fake and that both the victims and the families are all in on it and all lying together and that the governemnt for some reason wanted to shoot down a plane that had not reached its target and then for no reason are lying about shooting it down when shooting it down would be perfectly acceptable... Come on get real. Some believe, because of loose change, that there was only a tiny scratch in the ground with no plane parts or nothing bigger than a peice of paper. They like to quote the guy on Fox however after editting it because the only tiny parts line is about what was found 6 miles away, not what was found in the hole. Loose Change is bullshit. They found the engine for one, and also unlike other plane crashes where the pilot is trying to survive and who puts down the landing gear and at least attempts to slow down the plane and land it the best they can, we had the opposite, someone increasing the speed, flying th eplane upside down and driving it into the side of a hill on purpose not angled at all rather just spiking it into the ground.
There were planty of parts anyway.

Loose Change was disinformation. They lied the same as they lied about the hole in the pentagon. Basically ANYTHING you:ve heard about 911 from them on jonestown the opposite is true.



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 Post subject: Re: 911 coverup condensed to 28 minutes
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:16 pm 
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But we do know what happened on flight 93. we uncovered the black box . . .


Well, Pilots for 9-11 TRUTH issued the following 22 Dec 2007:

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UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT OBSERVED EVENTS

The data provided by the NTSB contradict observed events in several significant ways:


1. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.

2. All Altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the New York Times.

3. Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by Popular Mechanics and the US Govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over Indian Lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in New Baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the US Govt.

4. Environmental Protection Agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.

5. Impact angle according to Flight Data Recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.

In May, 2007, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that United Airlines Flight 93 created the impact crater as reported, in Somerset County, PA on the morning of September 11, 2001. . .

. . . However, many witnesses contradict altitude as well as approach path. Also according to reports, and as the impact crater suggests, United Airlines Flight 93 impacted terrain at an almost vertical 90 degree angle, while the Flight Data Recorder shows a 35 degree angle with up-sloping terrain, further reducing impact angle.

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http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UA93_Press_Release.html



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we uncovered . . . the flight recording and have dozen of airphone and cell phone calls . . .

. . .They took the plane down end of story. Unless you think all that stuff is fake



Dr. David Ray Griffin writes on 12 Jan 2010:

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Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners

Response to Questions Evoked by My Fifth Estate Interview

Conclusion

Although this essay has focused on details, often minute, in merely one aspect of the official account of 9/11, the implications are enormous. . . .

. . . Although the contents of Taylor’s briefing have never been made public, the main evidence provided to the general public has consisted of the hijack-describing phone calls reportedly received from passengers and flight attendants aboard the airliners. But when subjected to a detailed analysis, these alleged phone calls, far from supporting the war-justifying story, lead to a very different conclusion: that these alleged calls were faked. This analysis thereby suggests that the entire 9/11 story used to justify the US-led wars is a lie. . . .

. . . Nevertheless, the importance of the evidence against the official account provided by analyzing the alleged phone calls should not be minimized. If the official story is false, then we should expect every major dimension of it to be false – which, as I have emphasized in another recent book, can be seen to be the case. It is this cumulative argument that provides the strongest disproof of the official, war-justifying account of 9/11. The evidence that the alleged phone calls from the airliners were faked is an important part of this cumulative argument.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/phone-call ... airliners/


I find it interesting that the media has given us almost as many "eye-witnesses" that saw an upside down United 93 crash at a 90 degree angle . . .

. . . as they gave us "eye-witnesses" that saw United 93 get shot down and/or explode in mid-air. :?

From the UK Mail from 19 August 2006:

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Flight 93 'was shot down' claims book

by ROWLAND MORGAN

Twelve eyewitnesses state seeing another jet nearby.

They claim they saw an F-16 move closer in and fire what were probably two Sidewinder missiles, one of them catching at least one of the Boeing?s huge engines, after which the ?plane dropped like a stone?.

Someone else ?heard a loud bang? and saw the airliner plummet. A Vietnam War veteran said he ?heard a missile?, a sound he knew well. It is debatable how seriously we should take these reports. But there are numerous and highly credible witness accounts of a mysterious white jet being seen after Flight 93 went down.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -book.html



Curiouser and curiouser . . . :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: 911 coverup condensed to 28 minutes
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:35 am 
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sure... they got all those people and all their family members to just go along with it and decided to blow up building 7 with explosives and shoot down their own plane and deny it with no reason, get the pilot of the shooting jet and FAA to all go along with it and be quiet about it, then fake the black box, fake all the phone calls, (no point in doing so when they could just say there weren't any calls or simply not put them on the media) pre-place the engine and other parts into a hole etc all so that they could hide shooting down a plane that has no motive ryhme or reason to it and no evidence. :grr:

you're dense

how about this, passengers (heroes) took down the plane. The calls of real people were real the black box backs this up. The plane did not reach its target and so the government had to blow building 7 and look like idiots. And loose change and alex jones are just full of shit as they are on every aspect of 911.

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 Post subject: Re: 911 coverup condensed to 28 minutes
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:09 am 
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 Post subject: Re: 911 coverup condensed to 28 minutes
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:21 pm 
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Ry writes:
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you're dense

how about this, passengers (heroes) took down the plane. The calls of real people were real the black box backs this up. The plane did not reach its target and so the government had to blow building 7 and look like idiots. And loose change and alex jones are just full of shit as they are on every aspect of 911.


Perhaps, I am "dense" . . . :wink:

I agree that "Loose Change" and "Alex Jones" are not solid references.

However, I find that Dr. David Ray Griffin, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Mr. Michael Rivero, and Mr. Christopher Bollyn are some of the best resources for 9/11 information. . .

. . . and if I am understanding their research, it appears that they are all leaning toward the "United 93 was shot down" model.


I just got my copies of Mr. Christopher Bollyn's latest works:

"Solving 9/11: The Deception That Changed The World"

"Solving 9/11: The Original Articles"

As I read through them, I compare the two hypotheses:

1 - Passengers (heroes) took down the plane United 93

2 - United 93 was shot down and the "Passenger Heroes" story is disinformation



Also, thanks to your excellent video short that started this thread, "9/11 Coverup Condensed To 28 Minutes", I am also comparing the two hypotheses:

1 - United 93 was headed towards Washington, DC to "most likely" strike the Capitol Building

2 - United 93 was headed toward NYC to strike WTC-7

I haven't made up my mind yet on any of these models, . . .

. . . but I do think it was brilliant on your part to make the connection between "United 93 - WTC-7 - The Fourth Major WTC Explosion at 10:45 am"


As this topic is apparently a point of irritation to you, I will not bring it up again on your site. :)

Thanks again for the eye-opening "United 93 - WTC-7 - Fourth Major WTC Explosion" connection. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: 911 coverup condensed to 28 minutes
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:49 pm 
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Actually Rivero agrees with me on 93.

Look they were real people and they did not fake their phone calls.
The black box was found and fuck im just repeating myself and you know why because you just ignored every point I made and each debunking I made of the video you posted and continue saying like a religious zealot that you think they shot it down. You can't just keep parroting that crap without addressing motive and physical evidence.

Under the shot down scenario you have to claim all the calls are fake, so all those family members were in on it and willing allowed their loved ones to die or faked their deaths, and say the black box recording is fake, all the witnesses taken on the day on the crash were all fake or were n on it too, and you need to assume some jet was there and shot down the plane and decided to do so in secret (again no motive as shooting a plane down would make the government look good) and why the government would even bother having a 4th hijacking if they were just going to shoot it down. What is the point of staging a shoot down then a cover up when they could have just not even have a hijacking. Then After all that explain what was the target supposed to be, and why did the gov not hit Building 7 with a plane?

What part of that is fucking stupid do you not understand?

Under the passengers took it down scenario you dont have to invent anything. The passengers took it down the calls and in flight recording all match this. And there is a hole in the side of a hill with the majority of the plane and the engine in it. Building 7 was not hit by a plane because this was the plane that was supposed to hit it.

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 Post subject: Re: 911 coverup condensed to 28 minutes
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Occam's Razor.

Works with the Pentagon, and Flight 93.

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 Post subject: Re: 911 coverup condensed to 28 minutes
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Actually Rivero agrees with me on 93.


On the "11th Anniversary of 9-11" radio show this week while discussing WTC-7, Mr. Michael Rivero states:

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(at mark 8:50 in the below video)

"What I think happened,

. . . is that Flight 93 was supposed to be the airplane that was going to crash into building seven to justify its collapse on the script.

The flight crew of Flight 93 regained control of their airplane.

They could not be allowed to land because the facts on the airplane didn't match
the cover story.

No Arab terrorists. Possibly even remote control equipment that would have absolutely
brought this whole thing down.

So Flight 93 was shot down.

The wreckage was scattered over eight miles of country side.

And then, of course, they make a movie about them to say, 'Yes! They were heroic. They deliberately crashed the plane to save lives . .. '

. . . and various other assorted USDA choice bovine excrement that Hollywood's stock and trade is putting out to support the Government.

Kathryn Bigelow is making a lot of money doing that right now."

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"The 9/11 Hoax and the New American Century 11 Years Later - Mike Rivero"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6XGtx8lXgk



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