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 Post subject: Japanese Islands Dispute
 Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:06 am 
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OK so Japan ever strapped for both land and resources is in dispute with 3 or 4 countries over different sets of Island and even rocks. Now to drop the facade that all parties are playing lets just admit right now that it has nothing to do with the Island themselves some of which are only rocks, this is about territorial claims over the waters around them and most of all what is under them and that's natural gas.

The three disputes are as follows

The Senkaku Islands claimed by China/Taiwan and Japan
The Liancourt rocks claimed by South Korea and Japan (Dokdo and Takeshima)
The Kuril Islands claimed by Russia and Japan

I will give you my two cents, without the boring analysis that led to my conclusions: (and even though I happen to live in Japan this is a matter of extreme indifference to me, this is not bias) but first some recent news.

This month both the Senkaku Islands and Liancourt Rocks have been in the news.
During the London Olympics South Korea's mens team defeated Japan's mens team in soccer to get a bronze metal.
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The player's name was Park Jong-woo and he got the sign from someone in the crowd. He was then banned from the metal ceremony.

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak who is running for re-election and failing badly and who needs some patriotic seeming issue to champion and run on, decided to add fuel to the fire after the Olympic stunt by paying a visit to the island Aug 10th. Japan's government created a holiday Takeshima Day for Feb 22. South Korea started sending elementary school kids there on field trips. Some extremist South Koreans in turn take pheasant birds and cut off their heads and pour their blood on Japanese flags. Two Koreans (a mother and her son) even cut off their own fingers and one person set himself on fire to protest the Japanese claims. Dokdo is kind of like Korea's Chick-fil-a. It's a way for over zealous prejudice and bitter Korean nationalist to express their hatred of Japan veiled thinly by a righteous cause. Clearly the islands are disputed with no recognized claims, Japan being a bit more civil about it decided to go through international courts, but South Korea just decided to go Israeli squatter style and build a lighthouse there and place two people there so that they could claim it as theirs. They didn't get excited about it, suddenly wanting to place two people on it and build a lighthouse on it until after it was discovered what might be was under it. Japan offered to take the case to international court but South Korea has refused. As for who is closer to the Island its virtually a tie. Japan is like 4km closer than mainland Korea. I think the rocks are 211km and 215km way from Japan and South Korea.

South Korea's Holocaust card when they have any dispute with Japan no matter how unrelated it is, is to yell "Comfort women" it would be like in the middle of negotiations with America about whatever for Japan to yell Hiroshima. Japan did not take the rocks from Korea in the 1905 war, rather they officially registered the rocks in 1895 while they were empty ten years before the war with Russia that took place Korea.

So as all of this is going on some Chinese activist decided it would be a great time to try to visit the Senkaku Islands and claim it as Chinese. The Japanese coast guard arrested all 14 of them and deported them. Now Japan controls these Islands but that doesn't stop others from claiming them, however it would be hypocritical of Japan to site their undisputed control of the Islands as reason to call the other parties ludicrous because that is exactly Japan's own position in the dispute with Russia over different islands.

The Kuril Islands are part of Russia, they have Russian speakers and year round inhabitants who a re Russian, but not all of them. Now clearly they used to be Japanese, they were inhabited by Ainu people (natives to Japan's Hokkaido) and discovered by Japan for over 370 years. However during WWII the Russians physically took the Islands and currently thousands of Russians live on them. But that's war, Japan lost thus this is now part of Russia. What is really under dispute however are the 4 southern most Islands. Putin offered to return 2 of them to Japan (the two smallest which account for just 6% of the land mass) in return for Japan giving up their claims on the other two. Japan should have taken his offer. Because Russia is never going to give up the other two, it is not probably possible nor worth it if it were for Japan to take them back, so they should have taken their 6% and called it a day. I know Russia has plenty of land and gas, but such is the nature of war.

Here is my two cents

Senkaku is Japanese they should do joint drilling there with Taiwan.
Kuril is Russian Japan should take the offered two islands and be happy anything was returned.
Liancourt belongs to no one despite Korea's PETA like actions, and should be settled by the international court of justice. I think the most fair thing there is again to divide the gas fields between Korea and Japan.

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese Islands Dispute
 Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:57 pm 
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Couldn't we just have Girls generation and ABK 48 mud wrestle for the Islands?



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 Post subject: Re: Japanese Islands Dispute
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese Islands Dispute
 Post Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:30 am 
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Couldn't we just have Girls generation and ABK 48 mud wrestle for the Islands?




Yes, please! I wouldn't care who won either!

EDIT: excellent choice of vids!

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese Islands Dispute
 Post Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:41 pm 
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TOKYO —
Japan on Thursday refused to take back a letter sent by its own prime minister after Seoul said it would not accept delivery of the note, as a row over islands threatened to descend into diplomatic farce.

It was the latest move in an increasingly bitter tit-for-tat dispute that has engulfed two of Asia’s largest economies for nearly two weeks.

South Korea said earlier in the day it would return the protest from Yoshihiko Noda without answering it, for fear any move to acknowledge the missive would bolster Tokyo’s claim to islands that both sides say they own.

That sparked an angry response from Tokyo, which accused its neighbor of contravening diplomatic norms.

“Under usual protocol, it is inconceivable that letters exchanged between leaders are sent back,” Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura, the government’s top spokesman, told a news conference.

“I hope (South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak) will accept the letter, which was sent to deliver our prime minister’s thoughts.”

The letter to Lee has not even made it to Seoul, having been kept at the South’s embassy in Tokyo, foreign ministry spokesman Cho Tai-Young said, announcing the intention to hand the note back.

But in what was beginning to look like a real live game of hot potato, the Japanese foreign ministry turned away a South Korean diplomat, believed to have been carrying Noda’s letter, at the gate of the ministry building, NHK footage showed.

“I’m sorry to say this, but returning a diplomatic letter is below even being childish,” Senior Vice Foreign Minister Tsuyoshi Yamaguchi said at a press conference.

The letter was subsequently put in the post, registered delivery, a spokesman at the foreign ministry in Seoul said.

Despite their strong economic ties, the two countries have a frequently uneasy relationship, in which historical animosities constantly play in the background.

That relationship has sharply worsened since Lee paid a surprise Aug 10 visit to the Seoul-controlled islands, known as Dokdo in Korean and Takeshima in Japan.

He said his trip, the first by a South Korean president, was intended to press Japan to settle grievances left over from its colonial rule in Korea from 1910-45

I would just like to point out that Mr. Lee nearly started a war with North Korea for firing on them and holding military exercises in their waters after being told by North Korea under threat of force not to do so. The result was South Korea got hit by artillery and some South Korean people died. All for Lee's ego. North Korea is run by a clueless fat kid who got the job purely out of nepotism and South Korea is run by a man with the mental maturity and mentality of a six year old. If you ever wondered how bad it would be like to have someone as dumb as a Palin or a Herman Cain get elected look no further than South Korea. What they have is a one of those bitter old men nationalist who got elcted on the one issue pony of thumbing his nose at North Korea and when it suited him colonial era Japan thats not even WWII we are talking about 1905. All the Korean chick-fil-a party types that run on prejudice voted for him and now Lee is in office and he has been nothing but bad on all things and hopes he can ignore the economy and get re-elected by his ultra right-wing base. Worse yet is the rebound is hitting Japan with ultra totalitarian nuts like Toru Hashimoto getting elected in as Mayor of Osaka, a guy who had an affair witha hostess for 7 years and then shut down dance clubs after 1am in Osaka and who also thumbs his nose at Korea. We dont need these childish brats in office not in Korea or Japan or America.

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese Islands Dispute
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:40 am 
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That's some crazy shit. It annoys me that it is all about ego.

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 Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:23 am 
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oh man it's heating up. They just insulted the emperor of japan. That is so stupid. Now all the racists on both sides are going to be riled up. This ends badly and it will end badly unless cooler heads prevail.

one Japanese guy wrote ( and I swear he's normally a normal guy)

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"feeling against koreans deteriorated so much, so quick, we should own korea in the near future militarism will rise once again and it is never late insulting the japanese emperor is the last thing they want to do things never be the same now it is engraved in everyones mind now people will try to conquer thrir kimchi breath and make them slaves. there is no stop on japanese when it comes to nationalism and racism"

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 Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:37 am 
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Ry wrote:
oh man it's heating up. They just insulted the emperor of japan. That is so stupid. Now all the racists on both sides are going to be riled up. This ends badly and it will end badly unless cooler heads prevail.

one Japanese guy wrote ( and I swear he's normally a normal guy)

Quote:
"feeling against koreans deteriorated so much, so quick, we should own korea in the near future militarism will rise once again and it is never late insulting the japanese emperor is the last thing they want to do things never be the same now it is engraved in everyones mind now people will try to conquer thrir kimchi breath and make them slaves. there is no stop on japanese when it comes to nationalism and racism"


What concerns me that it's not only korea and japan but also china and taiwan. Looks like an asian balkan dispute.

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