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and it was born on Xmas and later it saved her life. Look up Leviticus 22*3-4 in the bible its the whole movie.

If you want to do an origin story and based it at all on science, even science fiction cant go as wacky as religion. The problem wasnt just all the lame jesus thumping it was that the film just sucked, they had unresolved plots, bad writing, scientist that act like children, emotional androids, stupid unrealistic decisions like lets not bring any weapons and when we do lets use a flame thrower which needs oxygen to even work and they didnt know yet if there would be any oxygen and yet the gun still worked outside the ship and outside the alien compound even though their isn't any air much less oxygen. I mean that is basic science and they just ignored it. never mind the fact that a flame thrower has no stopping power. The future type guns they did have did less than guns we have now. Apparently the gravity on the planet was exactly the same as earth's no one had trouble moving nor did they leap great distances, what a coinsodence. Thus why a christian yahoo must have made it because being scientifically as ignorant as a person would have to be in order to remain being a christian into adulthood, none of that stuf bothered them. But of course it bothers real sci-fi audeinces. Sci-fi types by and large are super nerds, you can't breaks laws of physics without at least attempting an explination. ps runnig around after a C-section lol holy shit that movie was so bad.

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The c-section thing was up there with Shia LaBeouf swinging on vines with CG monkeys in that last Indiana Jones flick. These Alien films are all made by Fox and all have the same producer names in the credits. Ridley Scott is obviously a good director but a good directory can't redeem a lousy screenplay or poor casting decisions. A respected director might have some pull, as I hope Scott would by now, but it probably only goes so far before it is vetoed by the psychopathic Hollywood execs. Related and unrelated example, the script to Alien 3 isn't bad. The film is bad, it's terrible. The director, David Fincher, went on to be a good director. If memory serves, I think Fincher wanted to Ala Smithy that film even.

I liked how Prometheus used some of the original Giger artwork and some of the original Alien concepts that went unused in the original. There were elements that were okay and have grown on me, but they don't redeem the film. I have doubts about an Alien-related film ever being 'good' again as long as Fox and those same producers are attached. Fox especially treats certain franchises certain ways with the execs calling crucial shots that ruin the film. Another Fox movie, Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes remake, comes to mind for being another turd as a result of the director having little control over the execs.

Aside from the name of the planet itself, I'm not sure that I understand the other references to Leviticus 22, even after looking it up.



Generally, I think those are the types of details that usually only tend to bother the super nerds anyway. For the casual movie-goer, a lot of that stuff is inconsequential.

Scit-fi and alien fans ARE super nerds. I think it bothers not just super nerd though, it bothers a lot of people. Really its 2091 and the best you got is a weapon from the 1900s that will not even work unless there is oxygen and that is what you bring. STUPID.

Scroll up read my post, I already explained the leviticus thing. or to save you time

Want to know what it was about as well as the zombie alien, snake alien, exploding head, and squid creatures? look in the BIBLE
"If a descendant of Aaron has a defiling skin disease[a] or a bodily discharge, he may not eat the sacred offerings until he is cleansed. He will also be unclean if he touches something defiled by a corpse or by anyone who has an emission of semen, 5 or if he touches any crawling thing that makes him unclean, or any person who makes him unclean, whatever the uncleanness may be. 6 The one who touches any such thing will be unclean till evening. He must not eat any of the sacred offerings unless he has bathed himself with water"

Do not eat the sacred offerings and you mush cleanse yourself in water check thats the opening scene.
Deflling skin Check
Bodily discharge and semen check check
Touched a courpse check
Touching crawling things check

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I went into Prometheus cold, knowing nothing about it except that it was related somehow to Alien. I had no expectations for it, and I loved it! I watched it again and I still liked it! I'm glad I didn't read any reviews or see any previews for it so I could enjoy it simply on its own terms.

Ry I think you're reading too much into the symbolism. None of that makes much difference to me. There are some goofy things about the movie, but the atmosphere and the special effects are top-notch. The acting is good, even despite some questionable decisions by the characters. I also liked the nods to the Alien movies, which I took as homages and didn't think were overdone.

I'm not bothered by the loose ends or unexplained things, because I thought of ways to make sense out of them in the world's context. It's called suspending your disbelief. The movie doesn't have to explain everything. If it explained everything it would be a term paper, not a story. We get the characters' ideas about what is happening, but they could be wrong.

For example, the DNA of the Engineers did not have to be the origin of all life on Earth. That part is ambiguous. The movie never says that the opening scene happens before the beginning of life. I prefer to think that they did this DNA-modification thing to influence human evolution at some point during human history hundreds of thousands or even millions of years ago, to influence human evolution but they didn't have to originate every living thing on Earth.

You criticize the C-section scene and how unrealistic it was that the main character could run around after that. But she is repeatedly taking some powerful pain killers, who knows what was in that stuff, maybe steroids, psychadelics, and rapid healing serum. They don't need to tell us what it is. I look at it the other way around: we know she was grievously injured by artificial insemination and subsequent alien birth by surgery, but she can still run around after that, so it had to be impressive stuff. Also, maybe she didn't have her own eggs but she did have sex, so I think it's more accurate to call her a surrogate mother, not a virgin.

There are some aspects of the story that might seem ridiculous on face value. I thought it's weird that every time we encounter these Engineers something went dreadfully wrong with their plans. Why do they need so much of this black ooze when a little bit of it can infect a whole planet? It also seems incongruous that this ancient aliens race that guided and engineered the human race would use such cryptic symbols to direct them to an obscure planet which was just a military base. But we (the audience) know next to nothing about the situation. Maybe there was a military takeover of the Engineer civilization or even just that one planet. There are good and bad factions among the Engineers. There was supposed to be something else there waiting for the humans who came to investigate.

I found it interesting the different ways the black ooze affects different living things, apparently enhancing them with increased strength and hijacking their reproductive sytems. That part of the story jibed with the Alien series and seemed like a consistent origin story for the Alien race. But I was glad it didn't try too hard to connect all the dots and left the history of that ship on LV-426 a mystery (for now). I liked the focus on the story of the android and his father who he hated and was happy to kill. That fit with the psychotic/emotional androids of the Alien series.

Granted, most of the characters are kind of weak. What made all the pilots decide to sacrifice themselves? Why did the biologist try to play with the snake aliens? We may never know, but rather than ruin the movie for me I would chalk that up to silly human behavior.

I wouldn't believe a lot of the odd things people do in real life either, if I wasn't witness to it. Case in point, we seem to be living in some kind of science fiction story where society is deliberately dumbed down so that the elites can murder nearly everyone or at least medicate them into subservience. I doubt anyone in the year 1900 would have thought that was possible in only about 100 years. People think they're smart, that people in the future will be smarter and make better choices, but they're wrong.

To sum up, the movie opened a new chapter in the Alien universe, without messing around too much with established events in that world, and without using those other movies as a crutch either. It isn't a perfect movie, but it could have been a whole lot worse. It's a much better prequel than those sick Star Wars prequels. Turns out it's a pretty standard modern sci-fi film but with the aesthetics of a classic 50's sci-fi story. It wasn't a waste of my time to watch, and I would recommend it to others.

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Actually, Prometheus seems to me closer to a mockery of Christianity than a promotion of it. I mean, what she gives birth to is hardly anything like a messianic savior. But I don't think Scott has any religious axe to grind one way or the other. I think he incorporated the religious themes in order to complement the human origins theme that is so central to his plot. Of course, how well it works is open to debate, but I don't see the bare fact that he chose to use religious themes in his film the least bit objectionable. But then I don't share Ry's animosity towards religion.

Prometheus is hardly what I would call a great film. It's full of typical movie cheesiness (of which I could cite many examples), and that did make suspension of disbelief a bit challenging for me. Still, though, I did find it somewhat entertaining. I might even call it above average. But whatever it is, it's not a religious film, if by that one means that it's intended to promote a religious point of view.

its wasn't just the jesus jacking, which I think should not be in a sci-fi film. Religion is not even remotely on par with science period. competing origin stories my ass. religion is for the fucking stupid that is all. To even pretend like there is a debate between the two also makes you stupid. You can have competing scientific theories, you can not bring up mother goose tales and act like they're all equally plausible. The film sucked anyway because of the number of unresolved plots, stupid unrealistic decisions and impossibilities. I dont just mean sci-fi impossibilities like making a baby in 5 hours, but basic things like fire working on a planet that doesn't have air, and oh look it just so happened to have the exact same gravity as earth etc. lets all take off our helmets, hey a baby snake Ill go pet it, giant wheel qucik dont turn just rin in a straight line to remain in its path etc But the worst part of the film for me was the scientists who should have been made jack ass explorers who did it for money and had no brains at all, acting like they were 12, and contradicting their own charters with complete 180 personalities in seconds.

It wasn't just the immaculate conception scene either. How many times do I have to spell it out about Leviticus? its the ENTIRE movie right out of a bible story. I know I will have to make a video about it because asking idiots to read is a lost cause.

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Well, I would say that there isn't any interesting debate between them, but then I would say that the most interesting theistic arguments don't posit God as a scientific hypothesis. Why think that modern empirical science is the sole measure of all knowledge?



No argument here. Like I said, typical movie cheesiness. Not so sure about the fire part, though. As far as I know, the planet does have an atmosphere (the storm?), and I don't see why a non-breathable atmosphere would necessarily entail the absence of sufficient oxygen for combustion. Of course, I've forgotten what the exact chemical composition of the atmosphere is supposed to be. If they explicitly say that it lacks oxygen, then that would be a problem. A bigger problem to me seems to be the genetically human engineer's ability to make it all the way out to the lifeboat without any discernible breathing apparatus. I guess he can just hold his breath for a long time.



Probably what you're thinking of is the virgin birth. The Immaculate Conception is something different. According to IC, the Virgin Mary was conceived (sexually) in her mother's womb without the stain of original sin. The idea behind it seems to be that the mother of someone as sacred and holy as Jesus could not have been blemished by sin even for one moment. Anyway, that monster thing she gives birth to is produced sexually. It doesn't matter whose DNA did it; traditional Christianity dogmatically holds that Jesus was produced a-sexually. As far as I know, only Mormons believe that God had sex with Mary, but the Mormon conception of God is radically different from that of traditional Christianity. They think that God is literally a glorified man in the sky, and that is ridiculous.



Yes, I know. I saw where you wrote that in this thread. I do read, you know. So what? I don't know why Scott did that, but I still doubt very much that he's trying to push any religious agenda. You don't seriously think this movie is designed to persuade people to convert to Christianity (or Judaism, as the case may be), do you? I don't see any reason at all to think that's the case.