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 Post subject: Re: Second gunman witnessed
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:27 pm 
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Kept seeing Gladio get tossed around by some of the kooks so I didn't think too much about it till now

What's interesting to me, and this could all be nothing, is the fact that Operation Gladio was exposed in Italy. 20th century organized crime, which Israel is strongly linked to, is from Italy.

An Italian MEP is praising the attack on Norway: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/07/482690.html

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MEP spoke about the Norwegian massacre fearing dark purpose of world forces who are interested in criminalizing the ideas of the aggressor, that for him, however, are profoundly healthy


http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/07/482672.html

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This warfare planning group was linked to NATO, the Pentagon and the CIA and operated completely outside democratic control from the nationally elected legislators. It made a joke of national sovereignty.

These secret soldiers were trained on remote islands in the Mediterranean and in unorthodox warfare centres in England and in the United States by the Green Berets and SAS Special Forces. The network was armed with explosives, machine guns and high-tech communication equipment hidden in underground bunkers and secret arms caches in forests and mountain meadows. In some countries the secret army linked up with right-wing terrorist who in a secret war engaged in political manipulation, harrassement of left wing parties, massacres, coup d'états and torture.

Codenamed 'Gladio' ('the sword'), the Italian secret army was exposed in 1990 by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to the Italian Senate, whereupon the press spoke of "The best kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II" (Observer, 18. November 1990) and observed that "The story seems straight from the pages of a political thriller." (The Times, November 19, 1990). Ever since, so-called 'stay-behind' armies of NATO have also been discovered in France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece and Turkey. They were internationally coordinated by the Pentagon and NATO and had their last known meeting in the NATO-linked Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) in Brussels in October 1990.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

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'You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."


From the Wikipedia article on Gladio:

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British journalist Philip Willan, who by 2010 writes for the UK Guardian and UK Observer, is the author of the book Puppetmasters: The Political Use of Terrorism in Italy, describing how US intelligence services relationship with a masonic lodge used to prop up Christian Democrat governments , undermining the growing political influence of the Italian Communist Party.


The Labour Party is socialist. Breivik is a Freemason (not Knights Templar.. LOL). Also from the wiki:

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After World War II, the UK and the US decided to create "stay-behind" paramilitary organizations, with the official aim of countering a possible Soviet invasion through sabotage and guerrilla warfare behind enemy lines. Arms caches were hidden, escape routes prepared, and loyal members recruited: i.e., mainly hardline anticommunists, including many ex-Nazis or former fascists, whether in Italy or in other European countries. In Germany, for example, Gladio had as a central focus the Gehlen Org — also involved in ODESSA "ratlines" — named after Reinhard Gehlen who would become West Germany's first head of intelligence, while the predominantly Italian P2 masonic lodge was composed of many members of the neofascist Italian Social Movement (MSI), including Licio Gelli. Its clandestine "cells" were to stay behind (hence the name) in enemy controlled territory and to act as resistance movements, conducting sabotage, guerrilla warfare and assassinations.


I have to say... It fits


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 Post subject: Re: Second gunman witnessed
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:45 pm 
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Kept seeing Gladio get tossed around by some of the kooks so I didn't think too much about it till now

Kurt Nimmo at infowars did it, too. Without mention of Israel, of course.
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Breivik is obviously a patsy for a Gladio operation to destroy political opposition to the bankers. Operation Gladio was a “strategy of tension” devised by the elite that employed terrorism – assassination and bombings – to discredit political opponents in Europe. It was set-up by the CIA and staffed in part with former members of Mussolini’s secret police.
http://www.infowars.com/evidence-shows- ... alse-flag/

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 Post subject: Re: Second gunman witnessed
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:38 pm 
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PlutoCharon wrote:
Kurt Nimmo at infowars did it, too. Without mention of Israel, of course.


LOL! Of course

Wikipedia is probably wrong, but it says its purpose was to continue anti-communism actions in the event of a Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. Then they go on to say it was coordinated by the Clandestine Committee of the Western Union in 1948. The Warsaw Pact was 1955 but I guess they could mean communism in general. What is also interesting is that this was over a year before NATO was formed in 1949.

Why would a stay-behind operation have a history of false flags and domestic terrorism on it's own people? Not saying this Gladio is still around, but there is some global group using the exact same methods for the exact same reasons. What else happened in 1948? Israel. And Israel was founded on terrorism, they're not even shy about it. It even has a name - "Revisionist Zionism" spread by terrorists like Irgun and Lehi which dissolved into IDF and Mossad and the Likud party. A couple leaders of those terror groups, like Begin for example, eventually became PMs of Israel.

The UN partition plan designated Jerusalem as a UN territory. UN member states were threatened and bribed to support the partition plan. This is interesting since some kooks say Freemasons are obsessed with the temple mount and also the UN played into this whole NWO thing. Perhaps there is some truth behind it but the fringe stuff makes it hard to say. Why Israel?

Back to the Gladio thing, so again it was started as a 'harmless' stay-behind operation that soon resorted to Israeli-style terrorism and false flags. In 1949 it's integrated into NATO. They used Masonic lodges and pseudo-Masonic lodges (like Propaganda Due). Perhaps this is how the world's intelligence agencies were infiltrated and corrupted? There is also NATO's 'collective defense' policy which could be abused from within to start wars which was only used in recent history (Afghanistan). But why Israel? What's so special about Israel? Because it's centrally located in the 'old world' and could probably nuke every major city there? Because it's located in the oil and mineral rich ME? Those don't seem like good reasons. There is no way the answer is kooky and fringe either. Israel does have a lot of Masonic imagery though for whatever reason.

Norway had a number of reasons to be a target just like JFK did in his day. Several of those reasons point to Israel. Sorry for the tl;dr I'm just trying to process this. Why Israel? That's a question I would like to know the answer to. The "Holy Land" isn't an answer either since Revisionist Zionists, like half the population of Israel, are atheists


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 Post subject: Re: Second gunman witnessed
 Post Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:54 pm 
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I found this low resolution photo taken at the AUF camp and noticed that the guy sitting in the very back on the left kind of looks familiar:

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Keep in mind that he is lying on his elbows which would push his shoulders up. For comparison here he is again from the back:

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From the front showing he is wearing denim below-the-knee shorts:

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I'm willing to wager this is the same guy and I wish we had a higher resolution photo. Notice that the dark hair and hair style is the same. There is even a hint of red in it. Note that he is wearing a black t-shirt and denim shorts that go below the knee. Also notice that in the camp pic his shoes are white. He was wearing white shoes or sandals upon arrest.

Does this prove anything? No. But his positioning would be perfect for a 2nd gunman. No idea what day this photo was taken either. He was arrested a day after the bombing wearing the same clothes as in the camp photo. That is not uncommon, but it is a little odd. Some reports said his arrest was not related to the attack and none of them revealed his name. None were ever followed up upon. Many of them have been deleted, especially Rupert Mordoch's Sun report (as pointed out by WRH). What is true is that he was arrested outside of a hotel that contained Norway's PM. He was arrested without warning or question, he smiled upon arrest, and he told nearby reporters he was an AUF camper arrested because he had a knife. This does not explain why the police arrested him.

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The witnesses described the second man as a 180-centimeter tall, dark-haired man with Nordic appearance with "a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back."
That's 5' 9" and there is nothing to scale except for the vehicles I can't identify. Given the circumstances I believe this is our second shooter.


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 Post subject: Re: Second gunman witnessed
 Post Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:04 pm 
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Here is another photo from the camp. The photo in my previous reply was taken hours before the attack. I don't know when this was taken but the file name says July 21. What I find interesting is there is a person in the very back on the left. He is the only person in the entire photo with his back turned toward the camera. His pants are not the same color as the denim shorts, but this could just be lighting. The shirt is similar. The hair style is identical, and if you mess with the contrast there is a little bit of red. This COULD be the same guy. He also has a bag around his shoulder.


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 Post subject: Re: Second gunman witnessed
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first photo wrong color shorts too thin and the collar is too small.

second photo
very different shorts, arms wrong color and size, left arm missing the tattoo, and there's a hat. The hat is no big deal. But the tattoo is.

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 Post subject: Re: Second gunman witnessed
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:24 pm 
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Yeah I noticed the tattoo thing afterward. Couldn't tell if that was a hat or hair, just big pixels. Big meaningless pixels that don't prove anything, I just did this because I thought it was interesting

Just in case somewhere down the line they say that guy with the bag did have guns or something then I can say I called it.


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