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 Post subject: Re: Ray McGovern brutally beaten by Hillary Clinton police!!
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:38 am 
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Well if we're going to talk vaccines, here ya go!

I live on a small island that is fraught with hippies that would be more likely to try a herb to cure what ails them than take an advil or anything else. Antibiotics and vaccines just don't fly well over here.

Personally I'm happy that my parents vaccinated me when I was a kid - I didn't get polio - Whew! However, in saying this, with the goal of large pharma companies to make profit rather than to heal the population we have a problem. They quickly throw together something in the time of need and release it. Here we find "The World Health Organization is investigating reports that the H1N1 vaccine may have triggered a rare sleep disorder in children."

Well isn't that nice. Sure its great when our children sleep well, but this seems to be a problem.

They MUST be held accountable for their product. That's like saying its okay for China to manufacture childrens toys with toxic paint. No it isn't!


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Some vaccines are very harmful however the other extreme of beibng a clueless hippy rejectionist is just as bad if not worse.

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Personally I'm happy that my parents vaccinated me when I was a kid - I didn't get polio - Whew!

WP,

I don't want to ruin your happy buzz. Cover your eyes. Don't read this:

Feb-20-2011 18:04
60 Lab Studies Confirm Cancer Link to Polio Vaccine
Terrence Aym Salem-News.com
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/febr ... cer-ta.php

A peer-reviewed, published study claimed that SV40, a cancer-causing monkey virus had contaminated the vaccine as long ago as 1953.

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(CHICAGO) - Dr. Maurice Hilleman was a very angry man, and if his 2002 allegations are true he had every right to be.

Hilleman made mind-numbing allegations during an in-depth interview in "The Health Century"—a landmark book and later a PBS television series. During the interview the doctor alleges that giant pharmaceutical company Merck produced and distributed dangerous vaccines containing deadly viruses that have infected millions of people.

Hundreds of millions may be doomed

If his allegations are true, hundreds of millions may be doomed to early, painful deaths. The masses that have already been inoculated may be little better than walking dead men and women—zombies going through the motions of life with no knowledge that biological time bombs are slowly ticking away in their tainted, diseased cells.

Dr. Maurice Hilleman, explains why Merck's vaccines have spread AIDS & other plagues worldwide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W2MJbcgn1g

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 Post subject: Re: Ray McGovern brutally beaten by Hillary Clinton police!!
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Yea clueless anything is worse but hippies are alright with me minus the casual promiscuity.

Thanks for the articles dicktator. Good reads. Like I said in the other thread almost everything is poison or toxic. The government doesn't have our well being in mind with these "vaccines". We are just conspiracy theorists if we refuse to get vaccinated.

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Oh shit! Your information is assisting me on a facebook thread right now so THANKS !

Well I don't "do" vaccines anymore. And I'm not interested in having children so I won't need to worry about vaccinating another wee human. (however I did just email my mother and ask her which vaccines I got as a kid)

As for the hippies that surround me, sometimes one (they) must open their eyes and look around at the actual goings on that happen on this planet. I am irritated to no end at peoples ignorance of things. All things. It isn't for me to say they're right or wrong when their child gets whooping cough and they choose to treat it homeopathically, but it is my job (as a person that uses a computer in her daily life) to do some research and let them know long term costs of actually not dealing with whooping cough and eliminating it immediately.
I feel the same way about our political environment and the way we're treated by our so-called "governments". I use my facebook page as a political information forum. Of my (only) 85 friends (all of them friends) only a handful care. Oh well, at least I try. I guess its why I'm happy I found this forum - finally someone actually cares !

Why people choose to ignore anything is beyond me. People are happy in their religions, including this new "global warming/climate change" religion, and their spiritual path and choose to ignore the very things that WILL affect their futures. One day they'll wake up and they won't be able to afford a loaf of bread or even go outside and breathe the air...if they're not ready - that's their problem. I choose to ignore ... THEM !!

And to pull this back to the topic, I friggin' can't stand the passivity of a population when it comes to seeing articles and videos of a guy like Ray McGovern who is standing up for something he believes in and he gets shut down by someone that people fucking think is doing GOOD by the people. Why can't they see what is right before their eyes?
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Ray's being interviewed right now on INN World Report with Tom Kiley (sp?).

http://www.ruleoflawradio.com

Interview will end at 8 PM CST. The archive may be up later tonight.

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"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental
opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a
distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every
change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic
plan of reducing [a people] to slavery."

~~ Thomas Jefferson

"Power kills, absolute power kills absolutely. The more power a government has, the more it can arbitrarily make war on others and murder foreign and domestic subjects. The more that government is constrained and diffused, the less tendency there is for them to commit genocide."
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The Push of Conscience and Secretary Clinton


February 24, 2011
By RAY McGOVERN
http://www.counterpunch.com/mcgovern02242011.html

It was not until Secretary of State Hillary Clinton walked to the George Washington University podium last week to enthusiastic applause that I decided I had to dissociate myself from the obsequious adulation of a person responsible for so much death, suffering and destruction.

I was reminded of a spring day in Atlanta almost five years earlier when then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld strutted onto a similar stage to loud acclaim from another enraptured audience.

Introducing Rumsfeld on May 4, 2006, the president of the Southern Center for International Policy in Atlanta highlighted his "honesty." I had just reviewed my notes for an address I was scheduled to give that evening in Atlanta and, alas, the notes demonstrated his dishonesty.

I thought to myself, if there's an opportunity for Q & A after his speech I might try to stand and ask a question, which is what happened. I engaged in a four-minute impromptu debate with Rumsfeld on Iraq War lies, an exchange that was carried on live TV.

That experience leaped to mind on Feb. 15, as Secretary Clinton strode onstage amid similar adulation.

The fulsome praise for Clinton from GWU's president and the loud, sustained applause also brought to mind a phrase that – as a former Soviet analyst at CIA – I often read in Pravda. When reprinting the text of speeches by high Soviet officials, the Communist Party newspaper would regularly insert, in italicized parentheses: "Burniye applaudismenti; vce stoyat" — Stormy applause; all rise.

With the others at Clinton's talk, I stood. I even clapped politely. But as the applause dragged on, I began to feel like a real phony. So, when the others finally sat down, I remained standing silently, motionless, with my eyes fixed narrowly on the rear of the auditorium and my back to the Secretary.

I did not expect what followed: a violent assault in full view of Secretary Clinton by what in Soviet parlance were called the "organs of state security." The rest is history, as they say.


Callous Aplomb

As the video of the event shows, Secretary Clinton did not miss a beat in her speech as she called for authoritarian governments to show respect for dissent and to refrain from violence. She spoke with what seemed to be an especially chilly sang froid, as she ignored my silent witness and the violent assault that took place right in front of her.

The experience gave me personal confirmation of the impression that I had reluctantly drawn from watching her behavior and its consequences over the past decade. The incident was a kind of metaphor of the much worse violence that Secretary Clinton has coolly countenanced against others.

Again and again, Hillary Clinton – both as a U.S. senator and as Secretary of State – has demonstrated a nonchalant readiness to unleash the vast destructiveness of American military power. The charitable explanation, I suppose, is that she knows nothing of war from direct personal experience.

And that is also true of her husband, her colleague Robert Gates at the Defense Department, President Barack Obama, and most of the White House functionaries blithely making decisions to squander the lives and limbs of young soldiers in foreign adventures — conflicts that even the top brass admit cannot be won with weapons.

The analogy to Vietnam is inescapable. As White House tapes from the 1960s show, President Lyndon Johnson knew that the Vietnam War could not be "won" in any meaningful way. Nonetheless, he kept throwing hundreds of thousands into the battle lest someone accuse him of being soft on communism.

I had an inside seat watching Johnson do that. And I did nothing.

Now, with an even more jittery president, a hawkish Secretary of State, General David they-injure-their-own-children-to-make-us-look-bad Petraeus, and various Republican presidential hopefuls – all jockeying for political position as the 2012 election draws near – the country is in even deeper trouble today.

No one on this political merry-go-round can afford to appear weak on terrorism. So, they all have covered their bets. And we all know who pays the price for these political calculations.

This time, I would NOT do nothing.

My colleagues in Veterans for Peace and I have known far too many comrades-in-arms and families whose lives have been shattered or ended as a result of such crass political maneuvering. Many of us know far more than we wish to know about war and killing. But — try as we may with letters and other appeals — we cannot get through to President Obama. And Secretary Clinton turns her own deaf ear to our entreaties and those of others who oppose unnecessary warfare. It is a pattern that she also followed in her days as a U.S. senator from New York.

See No Evil

In the summer of 2002, as the Senate was preparing to conduct hearings about alleged weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq and the possibility of war, former Chief Weapons Inspector in Iraq and U.S. Marine Major, Scott Ritter, came down to Washington from his home in upstate New York to share his first-hand knowledge with as many senators as possible.

To those that let him in the door, he showed that the "intelligence" adduced to support U.S. claims that Iraq still had WMD was fatally flawed. This was the same "intelligence" that Senate Intelligence Committee chair Jay Rockefeller later branded "unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent."

Sen. Hillary Clinton would not let Ritter in her door. Despite his unique insights as a U.N. inspector and his status as a constituent, Sen. Clinton gave him the royal run-around. Her message was clear: "Don't bother me with the facts." She had already made up her mind. I had a direct line into her inner circle at the time, and was assured that several of my op-eds and other commentaries skeptical of George W. Bush's planned invasion were given personally to Clinton, but no matter.

Sen. Clinton reportedly was not among the handful of legislators who took the trouble to read the National Intelligence Estimate on WMD in Iraq that was issued on Oct. 1, 2002, just ten days before the she voted to authorize war.

In short, she chose not to perform the due diligence required prior to making a decision having life-or-death consequences for thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. She knew whom she needed to cater to, and what she felt she had to do.

But, bright as she is, Hillary Clinton is prone to willful mistakes — political, as well as strategic. In dissing those of us who were trying to warn her that an attack on Iraq would have catastrophic consequences, she simply willed us to be wrong. Clearly, her calculation was that she had to appear super-strong on defense in order to win the Democratic nomination and then the presidency in 2008.

Just as clearly, courting Israel and the Likud Lobby was also important to her political ambitions.

Tony Blair Admits Israeli Role

Any lingering doubt that Israel played a major role in the U.S.- U.K. decision to attack Iraq was dispelled a year ago when former Prime Minister Tony Blair spoke publicly about the Israeli input into the all-important Bush-Blair deliberations on Iraq in Crawford, Texas, in April 2002.

Inexplicably, Blair forgot his usual discretion when it comes to disclosing important facts to the public and blurted out some truth at the Chilcot hearings in London regarding the origins of the Iraq War:

"As I recall that [April 2002] discussion, it was less to do with specifics about what we were going to do on Iraq or, indeed, the Middle East, because the Israel issue was a big, big issue at the time. I think, in fact, I remember, actually, there may have been conversations that we had even with Israelis, the two of us [Bush and Blair], whilst we were there. So that was a major part of all this."

According to Philip Zelikow – a former member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and later counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice – the "real threat" from Iraq was not to the United States.

Zelikow told an audience at the University of Virginia in September 2002, the "unstated threat" from Iraq was the "threat against Israel." He added, "The American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell."

But it wasn't as though leading Israelis were disguising their hopes or an attack on Iraq. The current Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu published a pre-invasion piece titled "The case for Toppling Saddam" in the Wall Street Journal, in which he wrote:

"Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do … I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of Israelis in supporting a pre-emptive strike against Saddam's regime."

The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz reported in February 2003, "the military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq." And, as a retired Israeli general later put it, "Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq's non-conventional [WMD] capabilities." In the United States, neoconservatives also pushed for war thinking that taking out Saddam Hussein would make Israel more secure.

Those Israeli leaders and their neocon allies got their wish on March 19, 2003, with the U.S.-U.K. invasion.

Of course, pressure from Israel and its Lobby was not the only factor behind the invasion of Iraq — think also oil, military bases, various political ambitions, revenge, etc. — but the Israeli factor was a central one.

A Calculating Senator

I'm afraid, though, that these calculations aimed at enhancing Israeli security may ultimately have the opposite effect. The Iraq War and the anti-Americanism that it has engendered across the Middle East seem sure to make Israel's position in the region even more precarious.

If the Iraq War does end up making the region more dangerous for Israel, the fault will lie primarily with Israel's hard-line leaders, as well as with those American officials (and media pundits) who so eagerly clambered onboard for the attack on Iraq.

One of those U.S. officials was the calculating senator from New York.

In a kind of poetic justice, Clinton's politically motivated warmongering became a key factor in her losing the Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama, who as a young state senator in Illinois spoke out against the war.

Although she bet wrong in 2002-03, Clinton keeps doubling down in her apparent belief that her greater political vulnerability comes from being perceived as "weak" against U.S. adversaries. So, she's emerged as one of the Obama administration's leading hawks on Afghanistan and Iran.

I suspect she still has her eye on what she considers the crucial centers of financial, media and other power that could support a possible future run for president, whether in 2012 if the Obama administration unravels or in 2016.

Another explanation, I suppose, could be that the Secretary of State genuinely believes that the United States should fight wars favored by right-wing Israelis and their influential supporters in the U.S.

Whichever interpretation you prefer, there's no doubt that she has put herself in the forefront of American leaders threatening Iran over its alleged "nuclear weapons" program, a "weapons" program that Iran denies exists and for which the U.S. intelligence community has found little or no evidence.

Bête Noire Iran

As a former CIA analyst myself, it strikes me as odd that Clinton's speeches never reflect the consistent, unanimous judgment of the 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, issued formally (and with "high confidence") in November 2007 that Iran stopped working on a nuclear weapon in the fall of 2003 and had not yet decided whether to resume that work.

Less than two weeks ago (on Feb. 10), in a formal appearance before the House Intelligence Committee, National Intelligence Director James Clapper testified:

"We continue to assess Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons….

"We continue to judge Iran's nuclear decisionmaking is guided by a cost-benefit approach, which offers the international community opportunities to influence Tehran."

Who's in Charge Here?

Yet, in her determination to come across as hard-line, Clinton has undercut promising initiatives that might have constrained Iran from having enough low-enriched uranium to be even tempted to build a nuclear arsenal.

Last year, when – at the urging of President Obama – the leaders of Turkey and Brazil worked out an agreement with Iran, under which Iran agreed to ship about half of its low-enriched uranium (LEU) out of country, Clinton immediately rejected it in favor of more severe economic sanctions.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva were left wondering who exactly was in charge in Washington — Hillary Clinton and her pro-Israel friends, or Obama.

Brazil released a three-page letter that Obama had sent to Lula da Silva a month earlier in which Obama said the proposed uranium transfer "would build confidence and reduce regional tensions by substantially reducing Iran's" stockpile of low-enriched uranium.

The contrast between Obama's support for the initiative and the opposition from various hardliners (including Clinton) caused "some puzzlement," one senior Brazilian official told the New York Times. After all, this official said, the supportive "letter came from the highest authority and was very clear."

It was a particularly telling episode. Clinton basked in the applause of Israeli leaders and neocon pundits for blocking the uranium transfer and securing more restrictive UN sanctions on Iran – and since then Iran appears to have dug in its heals on additional negotiations over its nuclear program.

Secretary Clinton is almost as assiduous as Netanyahu in never missing a chance to paint the Iranians in the darkest colors – even if that ends up painting the entire region into a more dangerous corner.

More Hypocrisy

On Feb. 15, Clinton continued giving hypocrisy a bad name, with her GWU speech regarding the importance of governments respecting peaceful dissent.

Five short paragraphs after she watched me snatched out of the audience Blackwater-style, she said, "Iran is awful because it is a government that routinely violates the rights of its people." It was like something straight out of Franz Kafka.

Today, given the growing instability in the Middle East – and Netanyahu's strident talk about Iran's dangerous influence – it may take yet another Herculean effort by Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen to disabuse Netanyahu of the notion that Israel can somehow provoke the kind of confrontation with Iran that would automatically suck the U.S. into the conflict on Israel's side.

At each such turning point, Secretary Clinton predictably sides with the hard-line Israeli position and shows remarkably little sympathy for the Palestinians or any other group that finds itself in Israel's way.

It is now clear, not only from the WikiLeaks documents, but even more so from the "Palestine Papers" disclosed by Al Jazeera, that Washington has long been playing a thoroughly dishonest "honest-broker" role between Israel and the Palestinians.

But those documents don't stand alone. Clinton also rejected the Goldstone Report's criticism of Israel's bloody attack on Gaza in 2008-09; she waffled on Israel's fatal commando raid on a Turkish relief flotilla on its way to Gaza in 2010; and she rallied to the defense of Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak this month when Israeli leaders raised alarms about what kind of regime might follow him.

Just last week, Clinton oversaw the casting of the U.S. veto to kill a U.N. Security Council resolution calling on Israel to stop colonizing territories it occupied in 1967. That vote was 14 to 1, marking the first such veto by the Obama administration. Netanyahu was quick to state that he "deeply appreciated" the U.S. stance.

Silent Witness

In the face of such callous disregard for what the Founders called "a decent respect for the opinions of mankind," words failed me — literally — on Feb. 15.

The op-eds, the speeches, and the interviews that others and I have done about needless war and feckless politicians may have done some good but, surely, they have not done enough. And America's Fawning Corporate Media (FCM) is the embodiment of a Fourth Estate that is dead in the water.

I counted about 20 TV cameras at the Clinton speech and reporters galore. Not one thought to come outside to watch what was happening to me, and zero reporting on the incident has found its way into the FCM, save a couple of brief and misleading accounts.

A Fox News story claimed that "a heckler interrupted" Clinton's speech and then "was escorted from the room." Fox News added that I "was, perhaps, trying to hold up a sign." CNN posted a brief clip with a similar insistence that I had "interrupted" Clinton's speech, though the video shows me saying nothing until after I'm dragged away (or "escorted") when I say, "So this is America." There also was no sign.

Disappointing, but not surprising. But I guess I really do believe that the good is worth doing because it is good. It shouldn't matter that there is little or no guarantee of success — or even of a truthful recounting of what happened.

Jail

One of my friends, in a good-natured attempt to make light of my arrest and brief imprisonment, commented that I must be used to it by now.

I thought of how anti-war activist Dan Berrigan responded to that kind of observation in his testimony at the Plowshares Eight trial 31 years ago. I feel blessed by his witness and fully identify with what he said about "the push of conscience":

"With every cowardly bone in my body, I wished I hadn't had to do it. That has been true every time I have been arrested. My stomach turns over. I feel sick. I feel afraid. I hate jail. I don't do well there physically.

"But I have read that we must not kill. I have read that children, above all, are threatened by this. I have read that Christ our Lord underwent death rather than inflict it. And I'm supposed to be a disciple.

"The push of conscience is a terrible thing."

As Fr. Berrigan clearly understood, the suffering of the victims of war is so much worse than the shock and discomfort of arrest.

For her part, Sen. and/or Secretary Clinton seems never to have encountered a war that she didn't immediately embrace on behalf of some geopolitical justification, apparently following Henry Kissinger's dictum that soldiers are "just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy."

For us Veterans for Peace, we've been there, done that. And so, enough already!

Moreover, beyond the human suffering of those caught up in war, there's what's in store for the rest of us. As recent rhetoric and disclosures of leaked documents have made clear, what lies ahead is a permanent warfare state, including occupation of foreign lands and new military bases around the globe -- unless we have the courage to stand up this time.

Already well under way is creeping curtailment of our rights at home. "A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny," wrote Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn — one who knew.

I think we need to bear in mind that we are part of a long line of those who have taken a stand on these issues. As for those of us who have served abroad to safeguard the rights of U.S. citizens — well, maybe we have a particular mandate now to keep doing what we can to keep protecting them.

Ray McGovern was an Army officer and CIA analyst for almost 30 year. He now serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He is a contributor to Imperial Crusades: Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia, edited by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair (Verso). He can be reached at: rrmcgovern@gmail.com.

A shorter version of this article appears at Consortiumnews.com.

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"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental
opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a
distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every
change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic
plan of reducing [a people] to slavery."

~~ Thomas Jefferson

"Power kills, absolute power kills absolutely. The more power a government has, the more it can arbitrarily make war on others and murder foreign and domestic subjects. The more that government is constrained and diffused, the less tendency there is for them to commit genocide."
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dicktater wrote:
WP,

I don't want to ruin your happy buzz. Cover your eyes. Don't read this:

A peer-reviewed, published study claimed that SV40, a cancer-causing monkey virus had contaminated the vaccine as long ago as 1953.

Hilleman made mind-numbing allegations during an in-depth interview in "The Health Century"—a landmark book and later a PBS television series. During the interview the doctor alleges that giant pharmaceutical company Merck produced and distributed dangerous vaccines containing deadly viruses that have infected millions of people.

If his allegations are true, hundreds of millions may be doomed to early, painful deaths. The masses that have already been inoculated may be little better than walking dead men and women—zombies going through the motions of life with no knowledge that biological time bombs are slowly ticking away in their tainted, diseased cells.

Don't read more here:


Yep, I asked my ol' ma and this is what she said "I know you would have gotten vaccinated for measles, Mumps ,chicken pox and probably smallpox and polio"
So, lets see that was around 1970 or slightly earlier or later but holy fuck! Can you believe this bullshit?

And this guy actually ADMITTED to possibly bringing in the AIDS virus through these imported monkeys. Does the Hippocratic Oath mean nothing to anyone? We're pretty much fucked. Here in Canada we have an aging population and an expensive education system. So we'll all have cancers and other diseases probably brought on by our goddamned vaccines and we're going to have snotty nosed little retards looking after us. Yep... doomed.

It won't matter much anyway, we won't have any rights or freedoms and the food we eat will be full of shit - thanks to Monsanto and the lack of ethical government policies relating to our food - our money will be reduced to the status of toilet paper - .25 ply is my guess - and we'll be living in work camps - Great ....

and can you believe people think we're being looked after by these fascists?

Thanks Dictater I now know ONE MORE THING that just makes me wonder ... how in the hell did we get here?

(but keep them coming, I'm a sucker for punishment and I pass it all on!)


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http://nationaljournal.com/nationalsecu ... --20110227

"Clinton spoke to reporters before departing for the Human Rights Council in Geneva, Switzerland, where she is set to discuss with other countries how to respond to the crisis in Libya."

maybe she should discuss how she should respond to the crisis in her own country. And while she's at it she could publicly apologize to Ray.

"Clinton said the American government will be “ready and prepared to offer any kind of assistance that anyone wishes to have from the United States,”

ready and prepared to offer assistance as long as you shut the hell up and don't question their motives or tactics.


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