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 Post subject: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:58 am 
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Here is a letter I wrote in pre-teen language as a response to a kook on youtube. I'll probably have to make this a video to reach the people it needs to reach as these kind of people don't read. They watch movies and become self proclaimed experts.

I replied after getting his 8th email which was in all caps

Dude, you just repeated what I said your type would say in my 911 video before you even wrote to me. Do you think I have not heard all this crap before? I addressed it too.

First off there are not billions of planes. And only 1 was going over 300 miles and hour and so close to the ground. Secondly, the hole is NOT smaller than a plane. The hole you are talking about is after the plane smashed through 4 buildings and is hitting the fifth ring.

And you still clinging to lack of evidence as evidence even after I explained to you three times plus the video that the PENTAGON HAD SECONDARY EXPLOSIONS same as the WTC which is why very little of the plane is left and why they confiscated the videos. However there IS some plane left and yet nothing of a missile.

You can't make a plane just disappear. People, regular people, saw a plane fly fast over Northern Virginia and stop at the pentagon. Unless it was the invisible Wonder Woman Jet somehow it disappeared, OR maybe it just hit the building. There is no fucking motive to use a missile. Cheney is busted ordering an aid not to shoot the PLANE down that is 50 miles out to ten miles out. Think about it numb nuts. They have got a plan to crash planes into buildings and blame it on al qaeda. Why the fuck not just crash a plane into a building? Why hijack a plane and fly it at the building, make it magically disappear, and then have someone hit the building with an invisible missile launcher in the front lawn, when they know it has to at least look like a plane AND all the people who were supposed to be on the magically disappearing plane have to be dead or pretending to be dead from where ever they really took the plane without anyone seeing.

The Pentagon is in Southern DC it's one of the most densely populated places on the East Coast. People, just on the interstate, would be enough witnesses to see a plane that is something with wings fly over head at incredible speed. Which they did. Your problem is solely with the size of the hole. Guess what this
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is not the fucking hole. That is in Ring E. The hole was much larger than 13 feet the plane is 13ft without the wheels down, plus aluminum wings and tail.
Image this is the hole look at it
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You are falling for disinformation. Your words are not even your own. They are parroted crap that I have heard over and over from the no plane/pentagon strike crowd for almost a decade. Quit watching music videos for information and do some reading Read

Listen to me, you don't know what you are talking about, and you are arguing with someone that connected Iraq, 911, PNAC, and the anthrax before everyone. And made two 911 films that deal with facts not speculation.

Let me bulletin point it for generation ADHD

* there is no motive for a missile (don't say they couldn't hit the pentagon either if it was the fucking pentagon doing it, if it was an inside job of course they could hit it)

* there is no evidence for a missile and lack of evidence for a plane is not evidence for a missile, and there is evidence for the plane.
* at least 47 eye witnesses not including the pentagon employees reported seeing the plane
* 0 witnesses saw a missile
* Cheney's report catches him holding the stand down order, this could not have been for the planes in New york which already had hit nor could it be for Shanksville as it is 200 miles away not 50 much less 10 and flight 93 doesn't match the time window for when he said it.
* the people on the plane are dead or at least gone and never heard from again.
* your problems with the pilot are based on the false assumptions of Hanjour as the pilot when it has been made more than clear that the 911 hijackers trail were results of stolen passports via 7 of them not being dead and planted evidence at the 93 site and flight 11 crash. I don't feel like explaining the Israeli connections here to someone I know isn't listening.
* I find it more than odd that in the same breath you can say the loopy flight pattern was too hard for the said pilot to do and yet acknowledge that that was the flight pattern which would mean a fucking plane dumb ass. They were not tracking missiles and sure as hell a missile didn't do a loop around Northern Virginia and then hit a pentagon and no one saw it.
* Saying a missile hit without any proof just discredits the 911 truth movement stop being a parrot for sheep.

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Not a Missile

How does this kind of crap last so long? It last because on Mtv-head douche bags that first got excited by the pentagon strike music video and then the idiots of loose change who decided not to talk about the truck bombs f 911 and made connection to the greater picture of the Iraq War, Patriot Act, Anthrax mailing, or spy rings. Just unscientific people trying to talk physics to other unscientific people with a bag full of catch phrases and very big popularity with the tween crowd and doped up "adults."

Listen if you know that you don't know what you are talking about on 911, when you know you're just a repeater. Do the rest of us a favor. Just shut up. Just shut up, because you are poison in the well. You're a bait biter. Just go back to the corner and be quiet.

I hope that was in colorful enough, low brow sophomoric language that a no planer could understand. Lordy knows I've trying to communicate it as if I was talking to a grown up but it never sinks in. So we'll see how this did.




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 Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:36 am 
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 Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:30 am 
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The missile theories want you to believe everything was faked and offer no motive for the missile nor evidence and cry fake regarding everything to do with the plane. They say

* Lamp posts downed by plane impact: faked
* Generator damage by engine impact: faked
* Boeing parts on the ground and inside the building: faked
* Impact hole cutout in the Pentagon matching a 757-sized jetliner: faked
* Recovered DNA identifying Flight 77 passengers and crew: faked
* Recovered victim personal effects provided to family members: faked
* All witnesses to the plane impact: plants or confused about what they saw

"Why go to the trouble of loading a 757 with high explosives, hijacking it, flying it over the ocean and vaporizing it with a ton or so of high explosives, then shooting a missile into the Pentagon, then claiming it was a 757, when you could just fly the damn 757 into the Pentagon? Who would plan all the extra steps--and for what reason?"

That responding to idiots saying the real flight 77 was blown up over the ocean. Others just refuse to answer what happened to the plane and just restate questions about the holes in the pentagon with no need to feel like they must explain how the plane people saw over a very densely population part of Virgina could just halt and fly away invisible.

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 Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:12 am 
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(NOT here to argue the events of that day)

To tie this into what we spoke of previously...

While the evidence and argument favor your statements much more than the 'no planers' - to an extent that really pales fiction with hard facts, I feel like I must echo what someone else said in the other thread.

Your work is respected GREATLY by myself and those around me that have seen your videos and read your articles and arguments. Seriously, what you do is a great thing, and I feel privileged to be a part of this forum.

That being said, I feel like the frustration and approach regarding this issue is clearly your kryptonite. As it is mine, in more of a general sense regarding the total dismissal of a cover-up and how people still "dont want to know".

Let's be straight....The 'no-planers' arguments do line up with that of the land of muffin monsters. But Im sure a lot of these people watch your vids, read your site and support much of your work and research. In my honest opinion, I feel like reactions such as the recent posts youve made regarding this and the video posted last night are going to ignite a little bit of skepticism regarding yourself and your work. And it completely sucks that it is this way, but you have to understand how people work.

People dont like to be insulted and yelled at (no matter how much I think they need it). In fact, I think some people have a switch in their brain that turns off any attention towards someone that is insulting them. I am NOT saying that this is right. Im saying that this is real. No, I dont think that they need to be "babied". As far as making videos goes, both video, audio and text have played a huge part in my research. Lets face it, I found YOU via video. I used it as a basis to judge you, your information and your presentation. I took the time to cross your information and do some of my own research to develop an opinion on whether or not I thought you to be a credible source of news and information. I avoid people that sacrifice respect for their audience in order to more blatantly and loudly make the point at hand. If I find a new source of information that I plan to take half-seriously, whether its on youtube or a web news source, Ill do a little side research on said source to see what they are all about. Maybe it seems Im using unconventional means of gathering information, as my method comes of as a bit judgemental, but I think that namecalling and insults about a certain POV only distract from the real information.

Im not saying that any method of expression is 'right' or 'wrong' per se, Im just stating how I perceive the public to respond to said methods. I mean, I would like to take a lead pipe to the people that are still out there swallowing the original 'official' story fed to us by politicians and the 911CR. But Id probably have better luck firmly massaging ideas into someone's brain with a straight-forward, yet with completely objective presentation.

I suppose Im just looking at this with more of a psychological approach...

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 Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:32 am 
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I hear that OC but the thing is I already tried to communicate it calmly and rationally to these tards. It's like debating with a creationist, just having a debate like its some 50/50 thing is insulting to science. They don't listen. You have to talk to them like they are 12 because mentally that is about where they are. Ridicule will at least prevent them from spreading. They have too much ego invested in this no plane shit to ever let go of it. So the aim is really to prevent any more new comers from going down that path. The guys with good 911 grounded info making fun of the no planers, is a good tactic. It may seem sour to people kike us, but, it's a tested method. They can't counter it. They can't do anything new, because they can't think critically they only have the capacity to restate loose change talking points. Once that has bee n debunked by showing how they lied about photos and so on, to become a no planer one would just have to just to decide to ignore motives, zero evidence for the claim and create a mythology purely out of not having enough info for the plane strike because they get all their info from charlatans. It's a lost cause if a person is that dumb/stubborn.

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 Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots
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they were all flown by remote the hijackers were patsies guys who used stolen passports to create a paper trail, they never even got on the planes, there is no footage of any of them boarding at any of the airports.

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 Post subject: Re: For the No Brains no Plane hit the Pentagon kooks/parrots
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:52 am 
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there is no footage of barbara olsen boarding the plane either....from the passenger list i`d wager 77 was part of the drills going on that day..might help explain how they were able to provide a 100% dna match on all passengers from the pentagon site without a proven trace of the plane they were said to be on...even though 77 wasn`t listed to fly that day..

i think some aircraft hit the pentagon, but you still haven`t provided any proof that it was 77 beyond defending the official scenario telling us that it was...that scenario called for a plane to hit the pentagon and it seems likely one did, but it doesn`t automatically mean it was 77 because it fits with the provided cover story..

cheneys stand down order could be for any plane and the one the air traffic controllers were following moved like a military jet according to them. recall that 77 had it`s transponder turned off ..first reports from the pentagon mentioned a bomb going off...fire at the pentagon....then a little later it was said a plane crashed there...then it was claimed it was flight 77...

from my view the evidence seems to point at a smaller jet or military plane, either would cover all the points you make for 77 hitting and fit the impact damage more closely and allow all the witnesses to see a plane...the lack of wreckage from a commercial jet with it`s hundreds of seats, twin 6 tonne engines and ten wheels and tyres etc leans towards a small jet or fighter etc...i might be rated as a "tard" for thinking this way but it`s the way i see it...it doesn`t change the fact that i agree with your view on who were the real culprits and the fact that they are omitted from the heavily promoted "truther" sites, shills and videos etc... i just don`t think 77 was what hit the pentagon..


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there is no footage of barbara olsen boarding the plane either....from the passenger list i`d wager 77 was part of the drills going on that day..might help explain how they were able to provide a 100% dna match on all passengers from the pentagon site without a proven trace of the plane they were said to be on...even though 77 wasn`t listed to fly that day..

i think some aircraft hit the pentagon, but you still haven`t provided any proof that it was 77 beyond defending the official scenario telling us that it was...that scenario called for a plane to hit the pentagon and it seems likely one did, but it doesn`t automatically mean it was 77 because it fits with the provided cover story..


You mean besides people seeing a fucking plane hit the building and the DNA matching the passengers other than the hijackers who were never found, and the plane size hole in the building and the PLANE PARTS in the building. And the fact that no one saw a plane fly AWAY from the building and it sure as shit didn't land going that fast. Oh sure other than that.... :roll: :lol:

Lol why are you people so fucking retarded? You are believing in a missile When THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, NONE, ZERO for that and no motive. But rejecta plane, when there are parts of it in the building and all the people on it are dead.

Do you REALLY think they staged the light poles being knocked over and then went and put charred plane parts in the building mad e a plane going 500 disappear, faked the DNA and faked the deaths, and all for what? so they could use a missile? and why!? there is no reason at all to do all that crap when they could just hit the building with the fucking plane. You people are RETARDED.

I'm going on the offense now. You have failed to disprove the existence of superman thus he is real. Never mind that there is no proof of him, I'm just going to say he is real, until you show me a tape of krypton blowing up and that nothing was sent from there... :roll:

You prove it was a missile. Oh wait you can't you don't have a god damn thing to point to other than you didn't get to see a clear tape of a plane. Under that same logic why not claim Aliens blew a hole in the wall and planted the plane parts and bribed eye witnesses and got all the families to pretend their loved ones were dead.

STUPID. You dont need a got damn video tape to show there was a plane that hit the building there is already physical evidence for it and I am sure if a tape was produced you people would just say it's fake and continue preaching the missile mythology. You'r like a religious cult. No amount or reason or science matters. One things gets proven wrong and you go to the next question that gets proven wrong and you have already forgotten the first question's answer and you move back to it. It's like talking to an animal which is blind by using sign language in the dark, after it has died.

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there is no footage of barbara olsen boarding the plane either....from the passenger list i`d wager 77 was part of the drills going on that day..might help explain how they were able to provide a 100% dna match on all passengers from the pentagon site without a proven trace of the plane they were said to be on...even though 77 wasn`t listed to fly that day..

i think some aircraft hit the pentagon, but you still haven`t provided any proof that it was 77 beyond defending the official scenario telling us that it was...that scenario called for a plane to hit the pentagon and it seems likely one did, but it doesn`t automatically mean it was 77 because it fits with the provided cover story..


"You mean besides people seeing a fucking plane hit the building and the DNA matching the passengers other than the hijackers who were never found"

neither prove the plane was 77...

," and the plane size hole in the building and the PLANE PARTS in the building."

i`m not seeing this hole you are claiming to see in the ground floor and the engine and wheel are not identified as coming from 77...a smaller plane covers all your plane points..

"And the fact that no one saw a plane fly AWAY from the building and it sure as shit didn't land going that fast. Oh sure other than that.... :roll: :lol:"

i never mentioned a fly over or a landing..

"Lol why are you people so fucking retarded? You are believing in a missile When THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, NONE, ZERO for that and no motive. But rejecta plane, when there are parts of it in the building and all the people on it are dead."

tip; i`m not fucking retarded and the only one talking about missiles and fly overs is you...i think it was a smaller jet/military plane...aka...a plane hit the building...not a missile and not a fly over nor a landing or any other talking point..a plane, just not the one you are clinging on to..

"Do you REALLY think they staged the light poles being knocked over and then went and put charred plane parts in the building mad e a plane going 500 disappear, faked the DNA and faked the deaths, and all for what?"

no, i think the lightpoles and charred plane parts fit in with my scenario, i mentioned my take on the dna tests...if they are legit..

"so they could use a missile? and why!? there is no reason at all to do all that crap when they could just hit the building with the fucking plane. You people are RETARDED. "

you keep pretending everyone including me is talking about a missile...why?...

"I'm going on the offense now. You have failed to disprove the existence of superman thus he is real."

no ry, you just failed to convince me on this occassion despite your passion or the respect i have for your opinion..

"Never mind that there is no proof of him, I'm just going to say he is real, until you show me a tape of krypton blowing up and that nothing was sent from there... :roll:"

nothing much strikes me as real about the official story of 9/11, that includes flight 77 buried in the pentagon...

"You prove it was a missile. Oh wait you can't you don't have a god damn thing to point to other than you didn't get to see a clear tape of a plane."

again, it is you claiming it is a missile or 77, not me..

"Under that same logic why not claim Aliens blew a hole in the wall and planted the plane parts and bribed eye witnesses and got all the families to pretend their loved ones were dead."

alien illumianti maybe?...with missiles....you might be on to something...lol....

"STUPID. You dont need a got damn video tape to show there was a plane that hit the building there is already physical evidence for it and I am sure if a tape was produced you people would just say it's fake and continue preaching the missile mythology."

there is physical evidence for a plane but no factual evidence for that plane being flight 77 "you people" keep preaching about....

" You'r like a religious cult. No amount or reason or science matters."

i`m open to reason but you don`t have the science on this issue, you have speculation and a missile fetish.

" One things gets proven wrong and you go to the next question that gets proven wrong and you have already forgotten the first question's answer and you move back to it. It's like talking to an animal which is blind by using sign language in the dark, after it has died.
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you are giving your answers on this too much credit, you have an opinion on this i don`t agree with no matter how far in the gutter you want to get or how blindly you want to hurl the insults, i don`t believe the flight 77 story you are promoting.


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