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 Post subject: Barack Obama vs Brand Obama
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:35 am 
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Obama, Bush's third term.
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I've ripped on the culprits enough, but it's time to talk to the supporters. Americans who took part in the "lessor of two evils" propaganda and voted these Obamunists into power need to be held responsible. Likewise the equally stupid Republicans never had to vote McCain in the primaries either. Ask yourself this. If the majority of the nation is antiwar, (and it is). Then why for 8 years straight have the presidential picks been 4 prowar candidates? I know there were idiots who didn't realize that Kerry and Obama were both prowar, but there is no excuse for that other than willful ignorance. It warrants a look at the political tribalism on both sides.

It truly baffles me. We've got all these people out now protesting Obama, (something I agree with) a chunk of them organized by the right wing who did not protest Bush even though Bush was doing the same things that they are mad about.

So why are all these people who didn't care when Bush was doing it, so mad at Obama?
A better question I have is, WHY are all these people, who hated Bush and who protested Bush, not protesting Obama? It goes both ways. If you hated Bush then you should hate Obama, and if you liked Bush then you should love Obama. Obama followers are cult like. They excuse his every action with more rationalizations than a religious fanatic. They want to blame the past 8 years of Bush for everything. The fact remains Obama has already spend more money in 8 months then Bush did in 8 years. And the wars are now larger and the costs even higher. Obama hasn't even tried to prevent any of it.

Let me list some similarities.

The wars
Bush started a war in Afghanistan and Iraq and the pentagon outsources to proivate mercenaries like Blackwater/Xe for a lot of the dirtiest work.

Obama as a senator voted to fund these war multiple times, and voted against a timeline withdraw. As president Obama has not only continued the wars but has expanded them. Afghanistan's troop levels have now tripled! and the last three months have each won bloodiest month of the war in 8 years. Obama also continues the policy of mercenaries, one by keeping Bush's exact same secretary of defense Robert Gates and by moving Blackwater around and hiring the private mercenaries of Triple Canopy out of Chicago Obama's favored hood.

Furthermore Obama changed the definition of "combat troops" so that he could play with the numbers. then he replaced 14,000 support troops in Afghanistan with 14,000 combat troops (and that even with the more strict definition of what counts as combat troops). Cost for the war have risen under Obama. And the congress, just like before, does nothing but bend over. On top of that Obama has been bombing Pakistan, and has now sent troops to Somalia.


War Rhetoric.

The Bush/Obama rhetoric on Iran hasn't changed at all. They are still demanding Iran prove a negative, and give ultimatums for sanctions which can not possibly be met. They rest their intelligence on Israeli sources which have been proven over and over to be complete lies. In fact at the end of the month if Iran doesn't prove a negative which is impossible they are set inevitably to get even more strict sanctions. In fact the original sanctions placed on Iran came from a bill that Obama personally co-sponsored in the senate.

In short Obama has continued Bush's foreign policy in every single country.
He's continued to send billion to dictators the same as Bush. In Georgia, Obama is expanding NATO under the false claim that Russia invaded when the news reports backed by actual evidence (imagine that) all say that it was Georgia who attacked.

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NATO Obama Backs NATO Expansion And willing to add Georgia even after they attacked and invaded South Ossetia. Of course one would not know that that is what happened in that conflict if they only listened to the American MSM.

NAFTA
(Two faced Obama says one thing but does another. In the primaries Obama talked about renegotiating NAFTA, but after lying to America workers for votes, Obama reverses his position. It's typical Obama, but did the press in the MSM call him out on it? Nope.

Torture. Again old two faced Obama says one thing, but does another. Obama continues torture. 2, 3, 4, 5 Obama will also allow the CIA to continue the practice of renditions. And Obama stunted an investigation about torture to protect Bush's administration by witholding photographs and not releasing information.

Domestic spying
(in fact Obama has increased this) Two Faced caved to Bush on spying. Obama sided with Bush on the issue. And once again Obama protected the Bush administration stone walling the courts. Congress was no better when Obama was a senator.
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Supported by both then President Bush and Senator Barack Obama—who interrupted his campaign last July to come back and vote on the measure—the FISA Amendment Act essentially provided congressional sanction for the secret and illegal warrantless wiretapping program initiated by the Bush administration in 2001. The legislation explicitly allowed the NSA to conduct dragnet surveillance of international communications by Americans. Given the wholesale character of this spying, it is hardly a surprise that domestic calls and emails are being subjected to warrantless surveillance as well.
Anyone following what Obama actually DOES instead of what other people say he says, would know this. The typical media trick around this is for the Liberal press/blogs to write something on speculation, like a title such as Obama could be tough on Domestic spying. Or "Obama plans for probing Bush on torture." Only to later be forced to write that he wasn't and didn't. However by the time a retraction comes out if at all, the hype has already served it's purpose and it's too late.

Censorship
Obama censors/filters the media. There is little need for him to censor the MSM because they already censor themselves.

Civil Liberties Obama as a senator voted to reinstate the PATRIOT Act. As president he's kept the Bush doctrine's "enhanced interrogation techniques." And as president even though he criticized Bush for it, Obama is keeping the States secret doctrine. 2, 3

The Drug War Obama will continue the drug war. (in fact Obama stepped in to tell California no when they wanted to decriminalize marijuana, thus stomping on State's rights as well). And according to the pot heads who eat and breathe this issue 24/7 Obama's drug Czar is the same as the old drug Czar.. Personally I don't advocate drugs. But I agree with legalization, for the same reason that alcohol is legal. Making it illegal just creates a lot of victimless crimes, wastes billions and creates an illegal method of making easy money for the also black markets in general.

Gay Rights/ Marriage (held the same position as McCain and Bush) Civil unions only. Personally I think homosexuals should be allowed to get married however if it is under a certain religion, the religion has the right to decide for itself if they do that or not. Just like they have the right to refuse to eat certain foods, drink magic grape juice, or wear a dead man on a stick in front of children. People have the right to be stupid. You can't make the religion change for your one issue. Just don't be part of the religion if you don't like it but don't force it to change.

Foreign Policy (this is even worse than Bush actually because it is all that Bush did and them some) We went over this already.

Palestine In Palestine even though there is a brutal internationally illegal military occupation, the burden of peace is placed on the victims. Until they stop all violence for an indefinite amount of time, while simultaneously being robbed, colonized, murdered, staved, and having their autonomy castrated they will continue to be robbed, colonized, murdered, staved, and having their autonomy castrated. Israel is free to do whatever it wishes. Let me explain how retarded a "partial freeze" of settlements is. Say you want and have the ability to build and populate 50 settlements. You demand a 70 get a "partial freeze" and just build the 50 you were going to do anyway, while even if it just 1 one of them it is illegal, immoral, and insane.

Monetary policy
(Obama reappointed Bernake, and is spending like an open corporate whore.)In fact this one like the wars, is getting much worse. Obama's bailouts are out right theft. His spending packaged coupled with the TARP plan have spent over 30 Trillion dollars. SO in 8 months he's topped Bush's spending of 8 years. Obama's cabinet is a virtual identical list to the companies who financed his campaign. It ought to just be renamed Goldman Sachs confederation. Obama's plan is to privatize the profits for his corporate plutocracy and socialize the debts. That's called mercantilism, when you privatize profits and socialize the debts. But he's gone a step above that, by infecting not only the US but the entire globe in the scheme.

War on Terror The only thing that's changed about the war on terror is the name. It's now called the Overseas Contingency Operation. It;snever had a thing to do with fighting terrorism. How can you fight a terrorism by engaging in it yourself? Just what is torture, depleted uranium, and the deaths of over a million people 90% civilian people, and hired zealot mercenary groups who shoot for sport, if not terrorism?

Going green. Obama masked a second auto-bail out as cash for clunkers. Hemp is still out of the question. One thing Obama has been pushing through under the scare tactics of global warming, is a carbon tax. The carbon tax and the climate controls and security bill, regardless of what you think about global warming, doesn't do a thing to prevent it. All it does is divide up greenhouse gases into allotments which can be traded and sold and even invested in by third parties, just creates a market environment which lets the larger government subsidized agrobusinesses to gobble up allotments from the smaller farms and ranches and create tighter virtual monopolies. It also put control of industry into the hands of a small group of government hacks and threatens property rights all under the guise of being green. The only kind of green here is envy and money.
Disrespect and even hate for America. The more people know, and quicker they realize how the savior is the same as before, the more they will recognize that Americans are as stupid as they are. And so they will un-analytically hate them.

The following things will change
The dollar. It's already tanked and is set to tank some more.
Oil prices. They're going to rise again thinks to a dropping dollar.
Standard of living That's going to continue to drop. This is more of the Fed's fault than Obama but he isn't doing anything to fix it yet everything he can to make it worse.
Health care This was in desperate need of change, but not the change Obama wants. It's unbelievable, but Obama and crew actually found a way to make American health care even worse. It would be easy enough to just allow peole to sop for insurance across state lines, but no. They won't allow that but have instead created a convoluted plan to force people who can't afford it, to buy health care so that insurers can have more money (for more coverage, but in reality the same coverage just higher prices).
Education Obama has taking to talking to Obama Youth, in video broadcast in elementary school, scaring the shit out of kids with global doomsday prophecies that would even make Al Gore take a pause.

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Bailouts
The first bail out was under Bush but got rejected by the Republicans and a few Democrats in the House. Later they tired again and the bailout was passed, under pressure of days of the media blitz claiming that there was a "crisis" and we "had to do something" and that there was time.

Later using the same tactic Obama and his new congress would do bailout after bailout spending TRILLIONS of dollars. Over 20 times as much as the cost of the wars which Obama also kept and made bigger and bloodier.

And if all that doesn't sink in to Obama cultist, because you're incapable of digesting reality, and rationalize your tribalism like a religious fanatic rejects science, then this one will. Obama appointed Hilary Clinton to be the Secretary of State. ...Enough said.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama, Bush's third term
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you forgot the bail outs and Palestine

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Ry wrote:
Obama, Bush's third term.

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I'm assuming you meant NATO? Or is this some other horrendous piece of misanthropic legislature I'm not aware of. And nice post btw, gonna show this to more than a few people.

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didn't forget I just ran out of time.

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The health care bill is not about health care. It is about protecting and increasing the profits of the insurance companies. The main feature of the health care bill is the "individual mandate," which requires everyone in America to buy health insurance. Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont), a recipient of millions in contributions over his career from the insurance industry, proposes to impose up to a $3,800 fine on Americans who fail to purchase health insurance.

The reason there is a health care crisis in the US is that the cumulative loss of jobs and benefits has swollen the uninsured to approximately 50 million Americans. They cannot afford health insurance any more than employers can afford to provide it.

It is absurd to mandate that people purchase what they cannot afford and to fine them for failing to do so. A person who cannot pay a health insurance premium cannot pay the fine.

These proposals are like solving the homeless problem by requiring the homeless to purchase a house.

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I can't get my head round this :o it sounds like a sick joke.

i feel so sorry for you guys....

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http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175109/ ... ngs_change http://www.alternet.org/story/142388/

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Buy Healthcare Or Go To Jail

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

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Buy Healthcare Or Go To Jail

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

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I don't agree with the health care bill they're proposing. However, if we can afford the internet bill each month than paying for health care insurance should not be that bad in my opinion. It's what's behind they're bill that concerns me more, not so much paying for it. Then again, it's not fair to those who can barely afford to eat each week.

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When the annual insurance premium for a family of four is something above $13,000, that's a terrible financial burden that many Americans simply can't afford to pay -- especially when so many people have lost their jobs due to the faltering economy.
http://www.naturalnews.com/027124_healt ... erica.html

our healthcare is free in most cases, and medicine is cheap to those who work, income tax is around 20% for the working class, but they can claim tax credits if their wages are too low.

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When the annual insurance premium for a family of four is something above $13,000, that's a terrible financial burden that many Americans simply can't afford to pay -- especially when so many people have lost their jobs due to the faltering economy.
http://www.naturalnews.com/027124_healt ... erica.html

our healthcare is free in most cases, and medicine is cheap to those who work, income tax is around 20% for the working class, but they can claim tax credits if their wages are too low.


Do you get a certain % back at the end of the year like we do? For example, when we file for income tax we get a certain % back based on how much we make. Does the UK do the same thing?

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Tim they gerrymander people's demographics to make sure they still have to pay over 200 a month for healthcare. It's not like 29.99 for internet. Plus you can use the internet. In America people pay to not use their insurance.

I know a guy here yesterday that bumped into another car. Insurance would have paid for the damages but he and the other guy agreed to not use insurance because the monthly payments would go up too high. It was cheaper for them to just pay for repairs out of pocket. So basically their car insurance was worthless they only have it ion the case of near death.

Healcare is even worse. You pay the entire time you are well and if you get sick then it cost more later when you are well again. So people avoid even going to a hospital even when they have insurance.

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Do you get a certain % back at the end of the year like we do? For example, when we file for income tax we get a certain % back based on how much we make. Does the UK do the same thing?


nope.

but if you're on an inviable wage you don't have to pay taxes.

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Fine post. It's incredible how frequently yet easily the electorate is totally duped. Posting from the UK, it's sad to confess that we are simple to hoodwink as anyone. Our election's probably in May & the winner is ... the war party. Collective amnesia's unlikely to find a cure in this lifetime - no demand.

Keep fighting the good fight. Occasionally, I get the old hopeless blues & it's comforting to know that the flame's still burning.

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Welcome to the board new members! 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Obama, Bush's third term
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The scariest part about Obama is that he's smarter (kind of) than Bush and he can weave a kind of piped piper magic over the masses of sheeple in our country. The Obamazombies are just as bad as the Neocons. Both are creeps and will spell the destruction of our country.

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neonoctafish wrote:
Fine post. It's incredible how frequently yet easily the electorate is totally duped. Posting from the UK, it's sad to confess that we are simple to hoodwink as anyone. Our election's probably in May & the winner is ... the war party. Collective amnesia's unlikely to find a cure in this lifetime - no demand.

Keep fighting the good fight. Occasionally, I get the old hopeless blues & it's comforting to know that the flame's still burning.


Problem is in America, there's no anti-war party to vote for anymore (not that there was to begin with lol@clinton)

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"we" were cautioned about being too optimistic (for radical and positive change ) when he was elected. Perhaps "we" should have paid heed.

OTOH.... he is being met with obstructionists at every step of the way.

Either way, the US is still not in a good space at all. Far too much of the political blame game too.


The Peace Prize was an astounding bit of politics. But if Obama thought he was under pressure before....


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Gotta hand it to ya this is a kick ass article. A bit immature in places calling people morons and such, but the info contained is the TRUTH. It's just too bad that you're so closed minded about what you term "space aliens." How closed minded can a person be? In a universe of billions of billions of galaxies just like our own Milky Way, you're claim is that humans on earth are the only form of life in existence. Pretty fucking arrogant and ignorant my friend.

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/imag ... cc035f.jpg

I'd like to challenge you to debunk this information:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =512277894

If there is no such ting as "space aliens" then I'm sure you'll have no problem explaining this guy to me, including the hundreds of accurate prophecies he's made DECADES in advance about everything from mad cow disease to 911 to the wars in iraq and affy to the rings around saturn and hundreds of other things. Surely you'll be able to find a simple expalnation on how he knew those things in advance because it just isn't possible that he got the info from "space aliens" becasuse they don't exist, right?

I look forward to your answer.

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