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 Post subject: JDP could win and kick US military out of Japan! Yay!!!
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Polls Shows Japanese Opposition Party Critical of US Role Poised for Victory

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They have also criticized the LDP for its efforts to stray away from their pacifist constitution and get involved in military efforts overseas. But perhaps the most serious blow to US influence over the nation’s foreign policy is that the DPJ has advocated “reconsidering” the US military presence in the nation.


Not only would this be great for Japan it would be great for the US too to save all that money.

...time for Korea to act up again

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It would also be a good thing because then japan can innovate away from the dependence on oil. (okay, oil is needed for quite a large array of goods but less gasoline would be okay too).

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LDP is going to lose FINALLY

Election is August 30 (29th our time)

I;ll have the results posted. Thing are looking good. It's not that I am a huge fan of the JDP but anything is better than the LDP. It's not like here where all parties are the same. The JDP will not assit the US in Afghanistan and will try to removed US bases from ALL of JAPAN!! 8)

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That's good. I wonder if this could have happened without the crisis.

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Probably not although they were very close lat election. LDP has been in power all but one year since the 50s. It's time for them to go. They are a CIA funded America's bitch party.

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My understanding (likely wrong) is that Japan doesn’t have a standing army. So if someone started dropping bombs on Japan, who would help them? They would need to get help from either China, Russia, or the US is the way I see it. I also wonder how base closure would affect the local economy? Either way the US bases shouldn’t be in Japan unless the bases are welcome there.

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No that was a clause in the constitution after WWII and it lasted only 2 years 1951 it was amended. (because oof the Korean War) Japan has a massive military (called a defense force). They are just banned from premptive war. If they are atacked however they have a full green light to anihilate whoever did it. They do not need US bases there at all. If anything the US being there makes them more of a target.


If Japan is hit it will be by terrorist attack, no one is going to try a full scale invasion of a first world nation like Japan. It's just not happening. Japan has more drones than any nation, more gold, 2nd largets navy, amazing production power and manufacturing, 9th in population, allies with everyone strong, the most advanced armor including some primative invisibility, and probably more nerds per capita than anywhere. And nerd win high tech battles.

plus have you seen their mini-copters? They are only like 5 feet long and pack missiles but can be flown be remote control. They can't be detected until you physically see them and they can swarm in thousands.

Japan is the strongest non-nuclear country in the world.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/ Japan is number 9
Without using nukes Japan is number 4

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cool link thanks.
notice how high Israel is. it still amazes me that they are so worried about rouge countries.

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here is another form the CIA viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18665&p=124631&hilit=most+powerful+countries#p124631

Japan is 7th there

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I always had the idea that japan was blackmailed (or chokeholded or pressed) into the use of oil. It made them dependent. So if oil was cut of they were at the mercy of the US. That was the way the US got them into the 2nd iraq war. Maybe now, after the US base on okinawa and the other one who cost billions to maintain, paid by japan, maybe now they can innovate away from their dependency on oil. I read somewhere certain types of algae are able to make something close to oil. Well, since japan is surrounded by water maybe that would be an idea.

I once saw a movie about the island of okinawa and how it suffered under the presence of the military base (sorry, can't remember its name only that it was a modern black and white movie). It wasn't only the murder, rapes, disappearing girls and so on but also the chemicals released in the water by the military. That's when I thought "that base has got to go". I didn't know anything about japan back then.

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Japan buys oil from Iran and Canada and Mexico. Japan's electric is mostly nuclear and coal (like the US) and they consume far less oil than the US partly because of all the mass transit and wind power.

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Ry wrote:
Japan buys oil from Iran and Canada and Mexico. Japan's electric is mostly nuclear and coal (like the US) and they consume far less oil than the US partly because of all the mass transit and wind power.


Okay. The US military leaving japan is a good thing by itself. Are there other benefits?

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Tonight is the day.

Japan Gets Ready for Big Elections -- And Big Change

Recent polls show the DPJ poised to win more than 300 of the 480 seats in the House of Representatives election. A win of 320 seats would give the party a two-thirds majority and the power to pass bills without the support of other parties or even the upper house. Meanwhile, the ruling LDP party is slated to drop to about 100 seats - an anemic one-third of what it held before Prime Minister Taro Aso dissolved the lower house and called elections in July, according to the daily Asahi Shimbun.


THEY COULD THROW THE US MILITARY OUT OF JAPAN! AWESOME!

[url]Japan’s Opposition Leads Election Polls Before Tomorrow’s Vote[/url]

The DPJ, led by Yukio Hatoyama, may win more than 300 seats, up from the 112 it holds now, the Yomiuri newspaper said.

ELECTION 2009--BATTLE FOR POWER / Poll: DPJ still on track for landslide win / LDP failing to slow rival's momentum

Yukio Hatoyama by the way is part of 911 Truth. I've spoken to him on several occasions. His party is about to win in a landslide. If Sibel wants a place to tell her story she should do it on NHK in Japan.

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Japan Election Results: Opposition Democrats Win Huge Victory

TOKYO — Japan's Prime Minister Taro Aso conceded defeat in elections Sunday as media exit polls indicated the opposition had won by a landslide, sending the conservatives out of power after 54 years of nearly unbroken rule amid widespread economic anxiety and desire for change.

"These results are very severe," Aso said in a news conference at party headquarters, conceding his party was headed for a big loss. "There has been a deep dissatisfaction with our party."

Aso said he would have to accept responsibility for the results, suggesting that he would resign as party president. Other LDP leaders also said they would step down, though official results were not to be released until early Monday morning.

The left-of-center Democratic Party of Japan was set to win 300 or more of the 480 seats in the lower house of parliament, ousting the Liberal Democrats, who have governed Japan for all but 11 months since 1955, according to exit polls by all major Japanese TV networks.

The loss by the Liberal Democrats – traditionally a pro-business, conservative party – would open the way for the Democratic Party, headed by Yukio Hatoyama, to replace Aso and establish a new Cabinet, possibly within the next few weeks.

The vote was seen as a barometer of frustrations over Japan's worst economic slump since World War II and a loss of confidence in the ruling Liberal Democrats' ability to tackle tough problems such as the rising national debt and rapidly aging population.

The Democrats have embraced a more populist platform, promising handouts for families with children and farmers and a higher minimum wage.

The Democrats have also said they will seek a more independent relationship with Washington, while forging closer ties with Japan's Asian neighbors, including China. But Hatoyama, who holds a doctorate in engineering from Stanford University, insists he will not seek dramatic change in Japan's foreign policy, saying the U.S.-Japan alliance would "continue to be the cornerstone of Japanese diplomatic policy."

National broadcaster NHK, using projections based on exit polls of roughly 400,000 voters, said the Democratic Party was set to win 300 seats and the Liberal Democrats only about 100. TV Asahi, another major network, said the Democratic Party would win 315 seats.

The LDP's secretary-general, Hiroyuki Hosoda, said he and two other top officials plan to submit their resignations to Aos, who serves as president of the party.

As voting closed Sunday night, officials said turnout was high, despite an approaching typhoon, indicating the intense level of public interest in the hotly contested campaigns.

"We've worked so hard to achieve a leadership change and that has now become almost certain thanks to the support of many voters," said Yoshihiko Noda, a senior member of the DPJ. "We feel a strong sense of responsibility to achieve each of our campaign promises."

Ruling party leaders said they were devastated by the results.

"I feel deeply the impact of this vote," former Prime Minister Shintaro Abe, a leading Liberal Democratic Party member, told television network TBS. "Our party must work to return to power."

Even before the vote was over, the Democrats pounded the ruling party for driving the country into a ditch.

Japan's unemployment has spiked to record 5.7 percent while deflation has intensified and families have cut spending because they are insecure about the future.

Making the situation more dire is Japan's aging demographic – which means more people are on pensions and there is a shrinking pool of taxpayers to support them and other government programs.

"The ruling party has betrayed the people over the past four years, driving the economy to the edge of a cliff, building up more than 6 trillion yen ($64.1 billion) in public debt, wasting money, ruining our social security net and widening the gap between the rich and poor," the Democratic Party said in a statement as voting began Sunday.

"We will change Japan," it said.

Hatoyama's party held 112 seats before parliament was dissolved in July.

The Democratic Party would only need to win a simple majority of 241 seats in the lower house to assure that it can name the next prime minister. The 300-plus level would allow it and its two smaller allies the two-thirds majority they need in the lower house to pass bills.

Many voters said that although the Democrats are largely untested in power and doubts remain about whether they will be able to deliver on their promises, the country needs a change.

"We don't know if the Democrats can really make a difference, but we want to give them a chance," Junko Shinoda, 59, a government employee, said after voting at a crowded polling center in downtown Tokyo.

Having the Democrats in power would smooth policy debates in parliament, which has been deadlocked since the Democrats and their allies took over the less powerful upper house in 2007.

With only two weeks of official campaigning that focused mainly on broadstroke appeals rather than specific policies, many analysts said the elections were not so much about issues as voters' general desire for something new after more than a half century under the Liberal Democrats.

The Democrats are proposing toll-free highways, free high schools, income support for farmers, monthly allowances for job seekers in training, a higher minimum wage and tax cuts. The estimated bill comes to 16.8 trillion yen ($179 billion) if fully implemented starting in fiscal year 2013.

Aso – whose own support ratings have sagged to a dismal 20 percent – repeatedly stressed his party led Japan's rise from the ashes of World War II into one of the world's biggest economic powers and are best equipped to get it out of its current morass.

But the current state of the economy has been a major liability for his party.

"It's revolutionary," said Tomoaki Iwai, a political science professor at Tokyo's Nihon University. "It's the first real change of government" Japan has had in six decades.

Mari Yamaguchi, Kelly Olsen, Shino Yuasa and Tomoko Hosaka contributed to this report.

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30minutes ago from NHK News
http://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/seiji/2009 ... 20091F.jpg
麻生首相、退陣を表明 「民主圧勝」選挙結果受け Aso expresses retirement after the election results
http://www.j-cast.com/2009/08/30048465.html
麻生太郎首相が党総裁を辞任する意向を表明した。2009年8月30日22時20分ごろ、NHKとのインタビューで答えた。NHKなど各局が民主の単独過半数の「当確」を報じ、政権交代が確実になる情勢を受けての発言だ。麻生首相は選挙結果について「責任を負わなければならない」「速やかに総裁選を行い、出直さなければならない」と述べた。今後については「一党員として自民党の再生に力を注ぐ」とした。

Aug 30 10:20pm (Japan time) Aso Taro is saying he is is going to retire, in the face of the election results. Aso holds himself responsible for the LDP's loss. He will have an election again as soon as possible. NHK and many companies are saying the JDP is now more than half of the lower house. They can rule without opposition. Big Chages are inevitable.

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Do you guys understand what just happened. This is like Japan's Mike Gravel just won the election. The antiwar party just won the majority of the diet in Japan by a landslide. They pick the prime minister so it will be Yukio Hatoyama.
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"In contrast with the bureaucrat-led politics... we will produce politics in which the public plays a leading role."


Yukio Hatoyama hates Neocons. He is part of 911 Truth, wants Japan out of any involvement shipping things to the US in Afghanistan and Iraq. Will get rid of US bases and base expansions in Japan. So many things are about to change. No more printing hundreds of billions to inflate the yen just to protect the US's mistakes.

Yukio Hatoyama is set to be the next Prime Minister. His party now after 53 years has the majority and they are going to vote him in as the next PM. They won 300 of the 480 available seats! The Japanese public is over it. They are sick of Neocons and they are sick of following US foreign policy.

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"As a result of the failure of the Iraq war and the financial crisis, the era of U.S.-led globalism is coming to an end," Hatoyama wrote this week in The New York Times. But he also predicted that the United States, though declining in influence, "will remain the world's leading military and economic power for the next two to three decades."


Hatoyama is who organized the aid to Palestine. And pushed to buy 20% of oil from Iran on the Yen instead of the dollar. He has his downsides as well, but compared to Aso, Fukuda, Abe, and Koizumi the guy looks like a saint.

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cleared the 300 mark! 民主 now has 308 and together 340 for the opposition parties. To just 140 for the America's bitches party.

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I'm still throwing all my support behind Yukihisa Fujita to beat Hatoyama for prime minister.

Yukihisa Fujita wants an independent investigation into 911.

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US Rules Out Negotiations With New Japan Govt on Base Deal

Posted By Jason Ditz On September 1, 2009 @ 7:31 pm In Uncategorized | 3 Comments

In a statement issued today by the State Department, the United States ruled out holding negotiations with the new Japanese government about a deal it had negotiated with the previous government to pay billions of dollars in return for a slight decrease in US troop presence on the island of Okinawa. Instead they say they hope the new officials will “moderate” their position.

The opposition Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ) took power this week in a landslide election victory over the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), and ran on a platform of condemn the LDP for, among other things, letting the US dictate its foreign policy.

Japan’s incoming Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama has called for a review of the bases agreement, as well as a broader review of the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the United States and the complete closure of the Okinawa base. The party has also promised to end the Japanese military’s role in the Afghan War by the end of the year.

The LDP had held a virtually unbroken hold on power in Japan for over 50 years, and analysts are calling the vote the most significant shift of power in the nation since the end of World War 2. Though the DPJ has said it wants to maintain friendly relations with the US, it seems unlikely the US is going to take its call for a more even-handed relationship lying down.

More here:http://news.antiwar.com/2009/09/01/us-rules-out-negotiations-with-new-japan-govt-on-base-deal/

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complete closure of the Okinawa base. The party has also promised to end the Japanese military’s role in the Afghan War by the end of the year.


Awesome.


And this will help the US too because there is no need to dump money into another base in Japan. The US should close ALL it's bases in Japan and Germany too for that matter.

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complete closure of the Okinawa base. The party has also promised to end the Japanese military’s role in the Afghan War by the end of the year.


Awesome.


And this will help the US too because there is no need to dump money into another base in Japan. The US should close ALL it's bases in Japan and Germany too for that matter.


Unfortunately I don't think the US Gov. can see reason and accept this scenario,
all they understand is more power and Japan's new plans will diminish that.
I hope Japan succeeds in there plans, that would be Awesome :)

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A lot of other countries should follow suit!

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