Vagabon vista wrote
I figured that I'd get a response from you, but have no interest in "debating" the issue. However...
Enclosing two men in a cage with the objective of bloodying-up and putting their opponent into submission is not a sport. It's aggression and violence in its purest form, regardless of one's country of origin. Have we not evolved since the Roman era? Coincidentally, the fuck-ups of our neo-con government are making the same fuck-ups on many levels that the Romans made 2000 years ago. Look where it got them.
If someone wants to show their "human physical potential", why must it be at the literal expense of someone else (i.e., beating the living shit out of them)? Where is the peace in that, bro? Why do we call that "entertainment"? Why are we teaching such violence to our children??? Again, should we not have evolved as a species past such behavior and grammar-school, egocentric mindlessness (i.e., "I'm better than you because I can kick your butt.")? What's next? MMA Dad Competitions ("My dad can beat up your dad...).
The Romans forced unwilling slaves to fight with weapons and to the death. It's not even comparable.
Have you ever watched a UFC fight? Honnestly.
Regardless of one's country of origin that was to counter your idea of Neocons loving the sport and feeding the military.
You said they were X military people thats flat out wrong. Its not a debate its a fact. You also said the neocons support mma. They do not they tried to have it banned. And you said mma supports the war and they dont.
I agree that the Neoocns are like the romans but not the martial artists. MMA is not about machoism.
Do you have the same feelings about boxing and wrestling. Boxing is worst then MMA the point in boxing is to win by knock out and they are not to lock up they just swing for 12 rounds. Submitting is nothing you tap and you're fine. There are submissions in Judo (an olympic sport) as well as Jujitsu and Sambo (sports in Russia, Japan and Brazil). And there is plenty of striking in boxing and kickboxing both sports in the olympics as well as professional sports in the US and around the world. Yes they wear gloves so does MMA. And I am not knocking boxing, they've been famous too for being anti-war Alo is a great example. It's dangerous for the Neocons because here is a proven tough guys saying how stupid war is. They can't challenge him on that be a an bullshit. When some wuss says the same things he can be brushed off as some lazy hippy.
You just don't like it. But its a sport.Just one you don't understand.
You know many of the most violent politicians are the same ones who hate MMA, violent video games and rock music. They can't stand "aggressive" anything. And yet they want to murder people.
A few martial arts arose from the pressure to fight off occupations. Capoeira and Karate came from fighting the Japanese occupation of Okinawa and the Europeans in Brazil. And jujitsu was modified in Japan from Ninjitsu as a way for the police force to apprehend criminals without having to knock their brains out or shock/stab them.
I teach martial arts. I watch it change people and make them grow. The hot head that come in there never make it. A couple wacks of the humble stick are too much. A martial artist understands actual combat and how serious it is. It's no longer "cool."
I'm a martial artist and you know how passionately anti-war I am. I work on it everyday. No other sport has the totality of MMA, save maybe gymnastics and acrobats, both push the body but lack the wits and decision making.
Three things you said that are factually wrong.
Neocons like MMA. They don't that's a fact.
MMA spawns prowar fans and are x military. That's wrong it's the opposite. And name one x military fighter in the UFC. There are two former cops but that's way different. There are dozens of anti-war activists. Jeff Manson uses John Lennon's Imagine for entrance music. From Bruce Lee to Mohamed Ali there have been outspoken anti-war fighters.
MMA is not a sport. MMA is several sports woven together and they run under the state athletics commissions like everyone else. It's a sport by definition. Having blood in the sport is no different that other sports. Most racing sports result in deaths. Baseball have more deaths than MMA which has a wopping Zero. Bet you didn't know that.
Some underground bullshit cage fight where they pay desperate people money to go beat the crap out of each other would be a cock fight. Trained and screened professional athletes who goe 3 to 5 rounds of professional martial arts are not a human cock fight. At worst there is a knock out same as boxing. Normally there is a tap or a decision. It's a strategy and the "kill'em" fans have faded complaining it was boring. They couldn't understand the ground game or submissions. They wanted something like bare knuckle boxing which is much more violent.
You can say you don't like it fine. But you can't say its a bunch of x military when it isn't and you can't say neocons love it when they don't. That's demonstrateable. And you can't say its not a sport when it is. You could say you don't think it should be but not that it isn't one.
Normally the most violent children are the ones not playing any sports. Constructive activity be it just running in a circle, swimming, wrestling, or hitting a tennis ball it doesn't matter its healthy. It's not going to assure that a kid is ok but it certainly puts them on a positive path.
You know what a bully hates more than anything? A martial artist. Not only can they not pick on them but they can't bully at all as long as that person is around. And its normally the weak kids picking on even weaker kids when there is bullying. Or its a group and its normally verbal. Nothing will shut that shit up faster and inviting that ass hole into the ring. What stops a young bully. a teacher. Why? Because they're bigger. It's not that a teacher knocks the crap out of them its that they can. Learn how to fight so that you never have to. I never got in fights but I broke up a number of them (because I could with no risk).
You can claim all day long how violent MMA is but the proof is in the reality of it. MMA has fewer injuries than other sports and zero deaths. In fact even fake pro wrestling has more of both than MMA.