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and so if the target of 93 was b7 then something went wrong with the plan that we have cell phone calls and the black box recordings of what happened on the plane showing the passengers took it down as well as many eye witnesses who saw it go down is enough for me to say thats what happened.

Saying there is lack of debris is a myth
claiming all the calls were fake and that all those people who died's family members are all lying and going a long with a story is ridiculous. And the plane switcheroo in Ohio that Loose Change went with is just another layer of dumb.
Adding to the tale end of it the government shot it down after all of that if you just cant let that go, is still silly because the gov has no reason to hide it all they have to do is say they didnt know yet passengers had a chance as controlling the plane and so they just blew it up. The only reason to entertain this hypothesis at all is because some debris according to like two reports was found 6 miles away. this is the least risky as people on the ground could set a jet shooting the plane and the debris would be all over the place not 90% of it including the engine all in the same hole. The only way the gov would blow it up in the air is if they had the option of a bomb on board which would insure the plane would go down.

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Halfcrazedhoser writes:



Occam's Razor - "It is a principle urging one to select from among competing hypotheses that which makes the fewest assumptions. . .. The principle is often incorrectly summarized as 'other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one.'"

Can one make the argument that the "Passengers (Heroes) Crashed United 93" hypothesis is actually the more "convoluted" and "overly complex" explanation?

The "Official 9-11 Narrative" states that 19 "Radical Muslim" hijackers boarded four US Domestic flights and seized control of those four aircraft with the intent to crash them into predetermined targets.

One hit WTC-1, one hit WTC-2, one hit The Pentagon, and one crashed in Pennsylvania.


Yet, we know that explosives were strategically placed in WTC-1, WTC-2, and WTC-7.


Now, put all you "know" about 9-11 aside for a second . . . open your mind . . .

. . and ask the really big question:

"Why would anyone go through all those YEARS of planning, spend all that money, and take such an extreme risk . . .

. . . only to leave the key component of taking control of the 4 aircraft . . .

. . . up to a third party's competence and ability to succeed in 4 independent hijacking attempts?"


If I were going to carry out this "9-11" operation . . .

. . . . and I knew I had years to plan, all the resources of Israel, loyal World Zionist organizations, a Mossad coordinated Sayanim 5th Column network, a nearly unlimited budget, as well as a compromised U.S. Executive Branch and rogue U.S. Military and Law Enforcement factions at my disposal . . .

. . . I think I would prefer to have control of ALL aspects of the entire operation.

First, I would have to gain access and acquire control of the target sites.
(Lucky Larry Silverstein, Office of Special Plans at Pentagon, Kroll Associates)

Ideally, I would want to use my own specially modified planes and fly them like drones with computer guidance systems placed at the target sites to guide them in.
(ATASCO, Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), SPC International, PTech, Mitre, Raytheon)

Of course, I would have to set up some kind "Drill Exercise" to act as a "diversion" to swap the planes.
(NORAD Drills "Vigilant Guardian" and "Vigilant Warrior")

Then I would have my loyal preselected flight crews land the real planes and dispose of the real passengers somewhere "discreet". If I am ruthless enough to kill thousands to start a war to kill millions, why would I care about killing dozens?

My only risk here would be if some hot shot pilot disregarded the new "Rules of Engagement" orders and made a field decision to shoot down one of my planes. . . and then it would be revealed that MY plane . .. wasn't THE plane it was supposed to be. .

So, I would need to set explosives in the planes to allow for remote detonation . . . to destroy the evidence and make positive identification of the aircraft very difficult . .

. . . as well as making sure I had my people conducting all investigations and using patriotic jingoism, fear and intimidation to silence any that got in the way of my operation.

Meanwhile, my 5th Column media agencies would be working closely with my Psy-Op teams to manage "damage control" and modify the official script to whatever problems or leaks may arise during the operation.

That's how I would have done it . . .

I wonder what the Israelis did? . . .

peace.

well the hijackers did say we have a bomb on the recording

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Plus, why go through the hassle of switching planes, not to mention dealing with the passengers, when as Ry has pointed out before, any plane could be remotely piloted easily enough.

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Why even have a 4th plane at all if your gonna shoot it down. And why pack b7 with bombs and then not hit it with a plane? Loose change can not address these simple very BASIC questions but because of some spooky music and a massive budget people who watched that trash as well as the switcheroo balloney fell for it. And that includes Jonestown who promoted it.

Why have hijackers because you have to have them to explain why the plane has turned around. you cannot pilot a plane remotely with no hijackers because the passengers would call in and explain what was happening and everyone would know only the government could hijack by remote. And if nothing else they could just oopen the doors depressurize the plane and it would go down.

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Ry writes:



Isn't this a bit of a straw man argument setup?

No, it would make not sense to pack a building with explosives to be hit by the 4th plane and then shoot the plane down before it could hit the building . . . as part of your plan.

However, it would make sense to pack a building with explosives to be hit by the 4th plane, then issue an Executive "Stand Down Order" to keep anyone from shooting down your plane . . .

. . . while keeping the only person that could over-rule that Executive "Stand Down Order" completely out of the loop . . . for his own "security."

We heard from Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta during questioning from Lee Hamilton of the 9/11 Commission that there was an apparent "Stand Down" order by Vice President Dick Cheney concerning American Airlines Flight 77 which struck the Pentagon at 9:37 am.



So, Vice President Dick Cheney, a PNAC NeoCon, apparently used an acting Executive Order from the Presidential Emergency Operations Center to stand down the U.S. Military to not engage Flight 77 . . and allow it to hit the Pentagon . . . as not a single shot was fired . . .

No Military Planes intercepted . . . not a single surface-to-air missile was fired from the roof batteries on the top of the Pentagon. . . Not a single shot.

So, if the evidence points to a apparent "Stand Down Order' on one plane by VP Cheney, a PNAC Neocon, does it not stand to reason that there was a "Stand Down Order" on all 4 planes?

One the big controversies of the 9-11 Commission was to establish exactly when President George W. Bush, . . who was NOT a PNAC Neocon . . . issued his PRESIDENTIAL order to "shoot down" any remaining hijacked airplanes . . . lots of archival testimony has mysteriously been "lost" in this area.

An 29 October 2010 UK "The Guardian" article about ex-President Bush revealed a few interesting points on United 93:



I find that last line very interesting,


We are pretty sure now that United 93 was not headed to the Capitol in Washington, DC . . but instead to WTC-7 in NYC which was pre-packed with explosives.

So if that part of this last sentence is a lie . . .

. . . why must we believe the "Passengers (Heroes) stormed the cockpit" is the truth . . .

. . likewise, why must we believe that the initial argument that United 93 was shot down . . either by an intercept pilot making a field command decision . . or by Presidential Order . . is not true?

peace.

Ry writes:


Given what you now know about the level of planning of this 9-11 operation, do you really think that the Israelis would trust this crucial part of the operation to be carried out by four Arab hijacking teams?

Can you really see this "We'll use real Arab Hijackers" plan getting past any formal Israeli "Risk Analysis" meeting as being a reliable enough procedure?

Wouldn't an "unquestioned" press release from a Government Official merely stating that United 93 has been hijacked by "Radical Muslims" not have the same psychological effect in the traumatized and receptive minds of the American public without risking the plethora of potential problems of an actual hijacking attempt, . . . much less four simultaneous hijacking attempts?

After all, there were no "Babies In Incubators" in Kuwait . .. but good old Zionist Tom Lantos, Hill & Knowlton, a cooperative Zionist Media, and a tearful girl named "Nayirah" certainly sold that one. . . "as if true".

Have we been sold a "Heroes of 9/11" story when it comes to United 93?

peace.

You got it backwards and I can tell you went off films and not primary sources. There was no stand down order. The order is automatically to stand down until the person in chrage which in this case was cheney gives a shoot down order which he did not do and that was for flight 77 not flight 93. The orders that still stood were that he would not authorize the shoot down of flight 77 and I got him by the balls there lying about his PEOC times watch that part in the long version war by deception.

What I said is not a strawman at all, as what I am debunking is loose change's bullshit where they said the government shot down a different plane and landed the original in an airport in ohio and that all the calls were fakes and that the black box was never found and then the gov blew up b7 with bombs without hitting with a plane: that is their offical bullshit from their movies.

Totally seperate from that is the rouge pilot scenario in which case the calls being real or not are up in the air however if you go with fake calls then you have to say the governemnt is who created them and there just is no ryhme or reason to it. There is no purpose for it.

The only shoot down scenario that works is what I told Rivero which is that the passengers took over the plane FAA got wind of it so the gov had to shoot it down and give them credit because they could not afford that plane to land. However then you have to explain why not a bomb on board and how come you can hear the black box and phone call recodings all the way to just seconds from the ground. And why is 90% of the wreckage all in the same hole. I know people like to pretend like there was no plane they said the same bullshit about the pentagon ommitting the entire first floor hole and ignoring that it was an indoor fire.

That LC is lying about the pentagon hole and obviously the phone calls and the ohio switch and basically everything lets you know they were fed disinfo they did not come up with that stuf on their own and you can be damn sure they are lying about the debris from 93 as well. Ive made a video already showing all the debris.

Even if you keep the shoot down last minute scenario which I once held myself there is nothing "retarded" about it. You half to concede that the calls were real the passenger were taking over the plane and the only divergence then is was it shot or did they crash it. No ohio no targeting dc no fake calls. The only evidence however is that some tiny debris was found far away. However the majority was in one place not in a doughbut shape on the ground the eingine was found the black box was found, all in one place the the most logical thing is the passengers took the plane down or the hijackers crashed it on purpose rather than allowing them to take it over. Thus why witnesses saw it flying upside down. Passenger jets are not meant to fly like that and there is a very very high probabilty that such a manuver would be unrecoverable. Now people saw this with their own eyes. You can say theor all lying but it matches the phone recordings as well. The scenario that makes the most sense is that they took over th eplane and the hijackers crashed it. A cross country flight with near full gas that gets spiked into a hill side could easily blow the tail side back up enough to drift on the wind.

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